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| ▲ | simonw an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'd have been pretty annoyed if I'd been paying full price, hadn't paid attention and that one prompt (screenshot plus a line of text) had cost me $12! On the discounted subscription I can tolerate it, it took a small bite out of my daily allowance but not enough that I regret anything. As an LLM researcher I have no regrets at all because watching it work around the environmental restrictions was fascinating. | | |
| ▲ | Ucalegon an hour ago | parent [-] | | How do we know that your pricing or results are normative, given the incentive that any frontier model to juice the pricing/results? | | |
| ▲ | simonw an hour ago | parent [-] | | How do you mean? I'm quoting the API list prices for Fable, at it's $10/million input and $50/million output (and $1/million for cache hits on input). | | |
| ▲ | Ucalegon an hour ago | parent [-] | | List price is not paid price and, as Anthropic has shown, initial list price is going to rise. Do you have pricing, paid by businesses, plesae provide the contracts that prove you assertion that this pricing holds true, or are we supposed to believe you? | | |
| ▲ | simonw an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'm afraid I don't understand the question. Anthropic have prices they charge for their models. These prices are what you pay if you use the API, and they are also what you pay if you are an "enterprise" customer - generally any company with 150+ employees. I haven't seen Anthropic raise the prices of an existing model after it has launched. They sometimes raise prices when they ship a model - Fable is $10/$50 where Opus 4.8 is $5/$25. They also have monthly subscriptions for individuals, which are a notoriously good deal. THOSE are definitely less trustworthy and predictable than the API list prices, since the subscription allowed quotas can and have changed in the past. What am I missing here? | | |
| ▲ | Ucalegon an hour ago | parent [-] | | Do you know what an enterprise is? Are you an enterprise? Do you know what enterprise pricing is for these models and the associated legalese around the models? Is your experience the same as an enterprise? How can anyone take what you, as a person, be the same as a business, both for pricing or compliance or governance or anything else? And why should we trust you for if we are a business who might want to do any business with Anthropic? | | |
| ▲ | simonw an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Anthropic's enterprise pricing has been thoroughly covered over the last few weeks. I've talked to plenty of people who are paying those prices. You can chose to trust me or not based on my track record. From your posting history it looks like you have a whole lot more relevant experience with enterprise software deals than I do. Have you learned anything interesting about how Anthropic pricing works? | | |
| ▲ | Ucalegon an hour ago | parent [-] | | Simon can you show that? Like, do you have proof? >You can chose to trust me or not based on my track record. Mind you, when people challenge you here, you ask for the same thing, like you ask them for public proof. Why do you have a different standard when its asked of you? If you have asked for others for proof, provide it. You have made the claim, support it. | | |
| ▲ | simonw 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Which claim are you talking about here? | | |
| ▲ | Ucalegon 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Which claim is Simon talking about? And how does that validate what Simon is talking about? Like we can talk about thing as they are, given the incentive structures that may or may not exist, but lets not like all of this is abstract or impartial. You are not not someone who is commenting from a source of objective truth. Nor are you looking at every contract that is singed and has some type of insight. Regardless of if you are being paid or not, you have a bias. And that bias isn't called out nor is it something that you deal with as to the results that you see. Or you do... Just be honest. | | |
| ▲ | simonw 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I have genuinely no idea what you are talking about at this point. I said that my session would cost $12.11 at standard Anthropic prices, based on using AgentsView to calculate cost against tokens used. I further asserted that Anthropic charge enterprise customers those rates. You kicked off a lengthy thread which I tried to follow but eventually lost track of the point you were making and/or the questions you were asking. And now you're talking about bias and I don't know where that came from either. |
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| ▲ | solenoid0937 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | What a bizarre comment. simonw is well known and widely respected. | | |
| ▲ | Ucalegon 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | To you, if you have specific issues with what I said, I would love to address them, rather than assuming that Simon is always right. Cause let me tell you... |
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