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dsign 8 hours ago

The root of the problem is that AI-as-a-service is corked, because companies providing it have a hell of an incentive to use all that data to out-compete their competitors, and they can do so in secret. To say nothing of salivating law-enforcement who really, really wants to tap into it. I'm hoping there will be at some point open-source and affordable hardware that can run competent models.

nijave 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>and they can do so in secret

Is that really true? Zero Data Retention (ZDR) is standard language in enterprise contracts and it seems quite egregious a vendor would want to take on that amount of liability and ignore the contract terms.

On top of that, Anthropic is SOC2 and ISO27001 so they've had _some_ independent auditing (although they could still try to hide such logging/recording anyway)

With that in mind, they also have a hell of an incentive to _not_ secretly collect that data.

Of course ZDR oftentimes comes with contract minimums so individuals and small corps are locked out and subject to the whims of the provider.

ipnoipipme 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah cause all these frontier labs totally followed all relevant copyright and ip protection laws, so of course they'll follow your little contract, and what will be the consequences when it turns out they lied (again)? Oh maybe a fine, something fair like 0.5% of profits, can't make it too high or too anti business.

nijave 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>Oh maybe a fine, something fair like 0.5% of profits, can't make it too high or too anti business.

No, this would be a civil lawsuit not criminal. The plaintiff (the harmed party) could sue Anthropic for whatever they wanted. Put another way, they're at the mercy of big corp army of lawyers, not a paid off politician.

wslh 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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miohtama 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Already happening

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/23/openai-tumber-...

8note 4 hours ago | parent [-]

that story remains ridiculous, and the RCMP is trying to pass the buck, when they already knew the issues and had confiscated the guns

... then gave them back, and then tbe shooting happened.

miohtama 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

Never pass a good incident to create more mass surveillance

ferguess_k 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The root of the problem is that ordinary people don't make enough noises for any problems they see in life, so they are essentially cattles.

Do you care about cattle's opinions? I guess a few of us do, but most of us don't.

mrhottakes 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Would humans change their treatment of cattle if the cattle made louder noises? That seems doubtful.

tweetle_beetle 3 hours ago | parent [-]

A very large and powerful government puts an awful lot of effort into making sure people don't reference a particular time their military vehicle made contact with a person standing still decades ago.

psadauskas 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's not the "root", you can go at least one step further:

The wealthy CEOs and boardmembers found a way to make even more money, but know that it will make the people who are aware of it angry. So they, as a class, find other issues that they can enflame (or manufacture wholesale), through the manipulation of social media algorithms and legacy media, both of which they own and control. They would much rather have "ordinary people" angry about trans athletes or immigrants, than about the surveillance state they profit from, or stealing our data they profit from, etc...

Unfortunately, we humans are very easy to manipulate by making us angry. If "ordinary people don't make enough noises for any problems they see in life", its hardly our fault if we're too busy surviving in the current economy, and the elites are spending billions to make us angry about anything except the elites.

LorenPechtel 2 hours ago | parent [-]

There's a limit to how much angry people can be. Dilute it on irrelevancies, the anger directed at the real problems goes down.

sleepybrett an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

the root of the problem is that we have no data privacy laws.

JeremyNT 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's all extremely dystopian and I don't see how things improve. The handful of megacorps that have access to the compute and troves of stolen IP to train their secret models on have no incentive to contribute back.

They say their models are too dangerous for the public, so they can nerf the GA versions while allowing only their preferred megacorp or nation state partners access to the real secret good versions.

We can hope the Chinese open weight models will catch up, but if/when they really reach parity with proprietary frontier models you can bet they'll stop releasing their weights too. They don't do this stuff out of the kindness of their hearts.

It's tough to imagine what might possibly derail this.

zozbot234 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Realistically, local/open weight models will always be limited in idiosyncratic world knowledge compared to the proprietary frontier. There's just very limited upside to releasing tens or hundreds of terabytes of open weights for something that literally can only run in very large AI data centers, and Fable/Mythos is near enough to that class. Smaller models can be smart in very real ways, but the extent to which those "smarts" can apply to real-world problems will be limited.

Matl 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I think the best bet is that that at some point going from 30B params to 9T params is realistically going to give the closed model a 10% edge in niche tasks, but that the open model would be very useful most of the time still.

I don't know how realistic that expectation is, but if you think about the difference between say 10,000 USD speakers and 50,000 speakers then the 50k ones may sound slightly better but certainly not enough to justify the 40k difference

treis 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think this makes much sense. The best filter is money and they're not going to go through this convoluted malarkey to limit their customers.

IMHO this is about protecting their model. If you can get a N-1 model for 1% of the N cost their business breaks down.

someothherguyy 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It's tough to imagine what might possibly derail this.

Public utilities?

nicce 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The handful of megacorps that have access to the compute and troves of stolen IP to train their secret models on have no incentive to contribute back.

Meta and Anthropic both trained on pirated books and there were not required to destroy their models. I simply don't get it. It just encourages to do things first and see later what happens. Regulations are just a small business cost.

thefounder 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You got it right! Regulations are just for small guys! You don’t see agents after Anthropic’s CEO or after Sam Altman as we’ve seen on Kim Dotcom

thewebguyd 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> They don't do this stuff out of the kindness of their hearts

No, but they do have incentive to continue to release with open weights because doing so directly affects the US based labs that are doing this for profit and power.

What's likely to happen is import controls on software as a form of US protectionism. It will be the encryption battle all over again, but this time about your right to both run AI models locally on your own hardware (that the labs and big tech would love if you could continue to not able to afford or acquire so they can rent it to you), and a ban on the distribution and use of foreign models.

I wouldn't be surprised of Anthropic and OpenAI also successfully lobby for a limit on how big open source models can be in the US as well in the name of "safety."

Make no mistake, they all fully intend to pull the ladder up behind them, and they intend to do it soon.

thefounder 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You can see already a lot of PR from Anthropic on this(ban the unsafe open source) in all major newspapers(I.e WSJ,Ft etc).

logancbrown 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Chinese open weight models will be forced to do the same to remain competitive with other frontier labs. The moat is data going forward.