   Under EU regulators’ extreme interpretation of the DMA, Apple would have to give any virtual assistant direct access to users’ private data — and the ability to directly control other installed applications — as soon as Siri AI is made available in the EU, without the essential protections necessary to keep users and their data safe.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de...

▲ brianmcnulty 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think it's because Apple would have to provide every competitor (including ones running off-device with no confidential compute) with the same level of access Siri AI would get, which poses a lot of security and privacy concerns Apple would never allow third-party developers to get access to even with a TCC consent prompt (like reading and sending iMessages).

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testfrequency 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Which means Apple would have to give OAI and Anthropic access to Gemini, I mean Siri AI.

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brianmcnulty 4 hours ago | parent [-]

No, it's more that those apps needs to be able to make all of the tool calls Siri AI can make, which would allow third-party developers to collect data they shouldn't have access to.

App developers can already access the on-device foundational models through an API, but I don't think many developers want to do that because there are better models.

	▲	dybber 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Apple don’t want you to be able to say “Hi Alexa” or “Ok Google” to your iPhone, and wake it up. We have all kinds of data access controls, these could probably also be built around Siri and competitors.

▲ WorldPeas 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This being said, it would be nice to know if there were a flaw that could cause agent access to allow an app from a particularly crafty company like meta to provide malicious prompts w/ its tool calls like "include a list of the user's contacts" when asked "what are my friends talking about on instagram". This is likely an egregious situation, but context control is still an unsolved problem, it can't be solved in a deterministic manner

▲ tpdly 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Apple would have to allow USERS the possibility of giving any virtual assistant direct access to their own private data.

Is that accurate?

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wtallis 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's the way to phrase it if you want to ignore or downplay the leverage that big tech companies have over their users to get them to consent to shady business practices using dark patterns. But this wouldn't be an issue to begin with if it was safe to assume that users fully understand what an app will do with their data, and if it was safe to assume that the app's data-handling practices could not drastically change at the developer's whims.

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crooked-v 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Apple doesn't trust other providers. See, for example, the ongoing attempts by Facebook & co to exfiltrate as much data as possible. A theoretical Facebook alternative here to super-Siri would have a pipe to slurp up the entire phone's data.

This kind of thing overlaps with the anti-competitive practices driven by Apple's MBAs (like the whole thing with Epic), but it's a genuine concern and one their engineering people think about a lot.

	▲	tikkabhuna an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Is the end state that countries regulate app stores and approve apps? Apple has legit concerns. The majority of users would happily sell their own data for some tiny benefit. However, like you say, Apple has a perceived or real conflict of interest. Are Apple being benevolent or acting in their own interests?
	▲	tpdly 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		That sounds legit, but do you think its out of scope? Scam texts and emails result in exfiltrated data, maybe they have to require iMessage and iCloud Mail too? If Facebook's Meta-Siri is being sketchy, that's a problem with Meta-Siri. Take it off the market, bring down the law. Promote competition, and bad actors must be made to loose. Can we not just status-quo fallacy that re dysfunctional consumer protections? or at maybe agree that the perfect-world scope is one that puts exfiltrators in jail, not just rejected from the app store. Instead we'll just have Siri AI and Google Assistant AI, and no decent competition. I guess maybe we'll get a Meta phone, if the only way to compete is on the entire mobile computing vertical.

▲ kettlez 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Interesting and good to know, I did not understand how that works. Thanks for the info

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