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joakleaf 5 hours ago

It feels fake, because they speak in a way that sounds unnatural and overelaborate.

It is so long, with so many unnecessary sentences. And it feels like everything is said at least twice; First a generic statement about the new feature. Then a specific example, or a deeper explanation of what the first generic statement was. Then a demo. And then a conclusion to the future.

The old Steve Jobs keynotes focused on the most interesting things, but now it feels like they are afraid not to include everything. So everything gets diluted.

It would help a lot if they would stop saying the same lines:"And now...", "We cannot wait for you to try our new XXXX ... ", or "We could not be more excited to...", "We are excited to... ".

"With that, now over to person-X"

theshrike79 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

To me it just sounds so very American. Using so many praising adjectives they stop meaning anything anymore.

If everything is fabulous and great and you’re always excited or proud, that becomes the baseline.

wuliwong an hour ago | parent | next [-]

That is not how regular Americans speak. I think it's some weird American corporate speak that has metastasized in Apple keynote presentations. ꉂ(˵˃ ᗜ ˂˵)

arrowleaf 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

American or corporate? I'm surprised that corporate talk overseas isn't overly enthusiastic! As an American, most of the stream has sounded very 'California' mixed with corporate.

andrewl-hn an hour ago | parent [-]

A lot of corporate speak is developed in the US and then companies all over the world spread it around. Often the adoption happens without deep understanding of the concept, and without adaptation to local realities. And thus it feels much more unnatural.

Freedom2 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Curious how this trait is American? Is there something about the way Americans speak that is fake?

comboy 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If I share a project with an American friend and he says it's awesome, I still don't know whether he liked it or not.

If I share it with a Polish or German friend and he says it's "not bad" then I know he is really impressed.

wuliwong an hour ago | parent [-]

And somehow Americans are able to give and receive criticism amongst themselves, iterate, and make progress!?

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overfeed 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not "fake" - it's cultural differences where what is intended to come across as polite by Americans[1] can be seen as insincere by people from elsewhere. On the flip side, Americans often view foreign behavior that's intended to be neutral as unfriendly, uncaring or cold.

1. e.g. lots of smiling, use of superlatives like "great"/"amazing" to describe mediocre items/effort/results

robotresearcher 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh yes.

Execs are ‘super excited’ about everything. There is no dynamic range at all. They appear to have no opinions and no judgement because their opinion is always that everything is awesome. When the audience knows that stuff is either normal-level ok or actually fucked up, this message is insulting to receive.

Worse, it trains people downstream that shiny happy is the only valid comms. Hard to escalate a concern when you don’t know how to start the message with how super excited you are about it.

It drove me crazy during my corporate period.

Slow_Hand 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes. Zero dynamic range.

If everything is at a “10” in linguistic intensity (“Incredible”, “Legendary”, “GOAT”) then nothing is exceptional.

It’s the linguistic equivalent of a Dorito chip.

I’m American and this marketing/corporate speak drives me up the wall. I have a harder time respecting the judgement of people who thoughtlessly speak this way.

_kb 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

It’s the linguistic equivalent of the loudness wars.

zchrykng 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not American as much as it is "corporatese".

dijit 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, absolutely.

At least to my British ears, Americans rarely sound authentic.

Its always grandiose statements and elaborate smiles.

kirubakaran 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Ah yes British, the famously direct people who say things like "Maybe I haven’t explained this very well", "I’ll bear it in mind", or "How interesting!" which anyone unfamiliar with the culture would interpret to be the opposite of what was actually meant.

"I may be wrong", but perhaps 'Americans rarely sound authentic' to you simply because you're just more familiar with your own culture's idiosyncrasies?

Anyway, I love the Brits, and no flame intended. I come in peace! :-)

jimbokun 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sure but occasionally that attitude leads to men walking on the moon.

mark_undoio 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Speaking as a Brit, our national trait is generally too understate things. So even saying what you mean, directly, comes off as a bit immodest and hyping it up in sales pitches sounds shady.

Americans generally say what they mean a bit more, so I think their mid point is just different.

TheOtherHobbes 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We do say what we mean, it's just either carefully coded in mutual assured understatement, or buried under expletive-laden exaggeration.

Any native knows that "Interesting, but perhaps we should reconsider" means "You're an idiot and I don't understand how you ever learned to breathe."

The pinnacle is "Not bad", which can mean either deep approval or blistering contempt, depending on tone of voice.

It drives foreigners insane. But of course it's not our fault if they never learned English.

mft_ 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Speaking as a Brit, I couldn’t disagree more. I have no trouble understanding a wide variety of Europeans in a corporate environment, but sometimes struggle to even understand the basics of what Americans are trying to communicate, let alone the nuances of their position.

It’s like ‘American corporate’ is a totally different language that I don’t speak. The words sound the same, but that’s about it.

PetitPrince 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As other comment suggested, the way I see it Americans are addicted to hyperbolas. Instead of "Thank you" it's "Thank you so much". So when you genuinely want to thank someone because that person went above and beyond (saved your life, avoided you a substantial hassle, etc.) then it's difficult to convey that.

jimbokun 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Beyond just American, they are trying to emulate Jobs style without his genius for presenting in a compelling and attention grabbing way.

wuliwong an hour ago | parent [-]

I really think this is it. It's crazy how flat and disingenuous it all feels.

cassianoleal 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As a Brazilian, I also find that annoying and unnatural.

naikrovek 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As an American with autism, I see it too.

Small talk is all lies. Almost all praise is fake. And it all drives me insane. I can fit in at work just fine, I can appear joyful and excited to come to work, I have 30 years of practice with it. But I avoid it whenever possible because it is all lies.

Americans appear to oversell everything because people get mad if you don’t.

“Why can’t you just be positive?!”

Because I’m not going to lie. I can’t fake praise, and I won’t even try. Being positive while lying is immediately obvious and it undermines the positive attitude that you’ve painted on. If anything, I take a negative message when I see someone faking a positive manner of speech.

jackp96 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

So I'm not personally on the spectrum, but I definitely get the frustration with "this is so fake; why are we all pretending it's not?" experiences.

But "almost all praise is fake" and "small talk is all lies" feels like a pretty depressing place to end up?

Why do you feel like that's the case? How do you differentiate sincere praise from "fake" praise?

mft_ 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Move to Europe, friend - a weight will be lifted.

InsideOutSanta 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

One thing about Jobs is that he was genuinely excited about much of the stuff he was showing, and even if you knew he was showing some useless BS (like coverflow, something I remember he absolutely loved), it made it interesting to watch. If today's presenters are in any way excited about what they're showing (or, more likely, talking about), that excitement has been polished away by all the takes they probably had to film.

TheOtherHobbes 3 hours ago | parent [-]

They're not genuinely excited. Because there isn't much to be genuinely excited about. The "incredible new super-exciting developments" are usually "okay, I guess."

Once in a while you get something like the M series chips, but the rest is reliably mid - functional, maybe a few nice tweaks, probably some better-than-average design, but nothing revolutionary.

So all of the "We know you're gonna love it!" doesn't land, because it's literally scripted and rehearsed, not spontaneous.

Jobs was rehearsed and passionate, which was part of the appeal.

It's debatable if Cook has ever been genuinely excited about anything.

jimbokun 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They try to imitate Steve's diction and mannerisms, without replicating his ability to concisely focus on the few things he wanted to stick with the audience.

whywhywhywhy 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That parental controls presentation felt like the same 3 bullet points delivered 4 times over with the vibe of a group presentation where every team member had to present but there was only 1 slide of content between the bunch.

proxy_skate 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It's a well known fact that it is quite difficult for some parents to setup and use parental controls, I believe it was just to fully explain it to people that might not know much about how parental controls work.

greedo an hour ago | parent [-]

And how many parents are watching a WWDC presentation?

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quentindanjou 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I also noticed the "And now" it appeared way too often in that presentation!

Klonoar 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If they would stop all doing the exact same hand pose it might help. Feels like watching a cult. Been this way for years too.

If you didn’t notice it before, you’ll definitely notice it now.

robotresearcher 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I hate it too. But watching untrained people nervously fidget with their hands or stand like stiffs has its own cringe.

A few of the keynote people kinda forgot how to walk normally on camera. It happens to me.

CharlesW 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Apple presenters are coached on how to speak, how to stand/move, what to do with their hands, etc.

I can understand how it might seem culty, but it's in the service of clear communication to a global audience. Anyone who represents a company to important customers and/or the public goes through similar media training.

Klonoar 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, thank you for explaining PR 101 to me.

The comment is about how everyone in their videos does it. The over-use of it is the issue, like when you say a word too much and your brain stops understanding what it means.

avazhi an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s basically LLM-slop in presentation form.