| ▲ | tcp_handshaker 3 hours ago |
| >> Not sending data to known IP thieves, state actors, and competitors in China (or Russia or Israel) seems very rational. As opposed to sending data to known IP thieves, state actors, and competitors in the USA ? Which one is the most irrational? |
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| ▲ | Levitz 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| You can legally act against one, not against the other. Not exactly a hard question. |
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| ▲ | tcp_handshaker 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Looking forward to the outcome of those legal processes againt the CEOs, that sit behind Trump at the inauguration.
After they stole all the knowledge in the world to train their models. And the current administration is drunk on SpaceX pre IPO shares...how did they get them? "Trump Officials Held Millions of Dollars of SpaceX Ahead of IPO" - https://news.bloomberglaw.com/texas-brief/trump-officials-he... | | |
| ▲ | Levitz 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I meant to look for an example of Musk losing a lawsuit and I accidentally came upon another two. Here and elsewhere you are just running propaganda, knowingly or not. | | |
| ▲ | tcp_handshaker 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | For your information Musk and companies have so far over 950 lawsuits and legal processes for criminal or unethical activity (yes I researched this). Even his data centers and gas turbine deployments are illegal! Lost one lawsuit against the same AI mafia, and if you look at the legal details reason was for filling the claim too late. He publicly called a hero a Pedophile, and got away with it...in court. Now...who do you work for? [1] - "EPA rules that xAI’s natural gas generators were illegally used" - https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/16/epa-rules-that-xais-natura... |
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| ▲ | sandworm101 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Given how little voting power these "shares" have (they are effectively SpaceX trading cards/NFTs) perhaps they were simply printed on SpaceX letterhead? If Musk says a person has "shares" who at spacex is in a position to disagree? | | |
| ▲ | tcp_handshaker 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I would consider editing this while HN still allows it :-)) Or otherwise it may remain here for ever...until the black holes evaporate, as calibration point for the difference between confidence and comprehension... | |
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| ▲ | SanjayMehta 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nothing will happen to anyone. Biden preemptively pardoned his cronies, and so will Trump. | | |
| ▲ | bediger4000 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is an argument against pardons, except that Trump has used instruments of state power against his perceived enemies (Comey James, Schiff, military occupation of Tim Walz state, etc etc). |
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| ▲ | joquarky an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You can act, but the only winner will be the lawyers. | |
| ▲ | MSFT_Edging 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Technically yes, practically, good luck. | |
| ▲ | SanjayMehta 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No one is forcing you to use either. | |
| ▲ | kklisura 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ah yes. The illusion of freedom. |
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| ▲ | enraged_camel 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| We as Americans at least have some amount of influence over American corporations, and enforcement mechanisms for those breaking the rules. |
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| ▲ | ajsnigrutin 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm pretty sure those corporations have much more influence over american politicians, regulators, lawmakers, etc. than eg. russian or chinese ones. | | |
| ▲ | Avicebron 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well sure they do, thank Citizens United and others for that. But that doesn't mean we can't appropriately categorize them as also hostile actors alongside russia, china, whoever. It's undo influence over politics against the best interest of the American people that's the issue. Company, foreign nation, it doesn't matter. | | |
| ▲ | advael 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Citizens United did a lot to effectively legalize foreign influence as well, since the mechanism is opaque transfer of money But regardless, most people's threat models should discount based on geographic and political distance. All else being equal, chinese surveillance is a bigger threat to you if you're in china than if you're in the us, and vice versa | | |
| ▲ | Avicebron 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Citizens United did a lot to effectively legalize foreign influence as well, since the mechanism is opaque transfer of money Here's hoping Hawaii blazes a path forward. https://natlawreview.com/article/hawaii-governor-signs-first... | | |
| ▲ | twoodfin 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | So the Honolulu Star-Observer (a corporation, or “artificial person”) only has those rights & privileges that it has been granted by the State of Hawaii? This is going to end up being a nice little windfall for the attorneys and otherwise just clog the Federal court system. | | |
| ▲ | Avicebron 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | "the day the law goes into effect, it strips each Hawaii entity of the powers it held the day before. The new law asserts that “[t]he creation and continued existence of a corporation is not a right but a conditional grant of legal status by the State and remains subject to complete withdrawal at any time. All powers previously granted to corporations under the laws of this State are revoked in their entirety."(TFA) The meaning is pretty clear, don't try to influence politics in favor of the corporation or you will go away. Simple as. |
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| ▲ | twoodfin 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Transfer of money from whom to whom? Citizens United was about spending money on electioneering communications, and whether there was a First Amendment right to do so even if you’re associating in a corporation like the New York Times Company or Apple or Citizens United or the Sierra Club. |
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| ▲ | tcp_handshaker 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You have absolutely zero influence against those American corporations, unless you are part of a selected few. Its almost endearing that you think so... "Trump traded hundreds of millions in US securities in 2026" - https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-traded-hundreds-mill... | | |
| ▲ | groundzeros2015 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I suspect the recent space X S&P decision had something to do with public perception. | | |
| ▲ | somenameforme 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think the odds of that are low. It's not like decision maker(s) are watching social media and going with the vibes, but it's almost certain that there's a rich conversation going on behind the scenes in opaque channels, especially with regards to the AI-only companies. And those conversations are likely what drove their decision. | |
| ▲ | Dylan16807 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The decision was to do nothing, though. That's not much precedent for going out and punishing lawbreakers. |
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