We as Americans at least have some amount of influence over American corporations, and enforcement mechanisms for those breaking the rules.

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ajsnigrutin 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm pretty sure those corporations have much more influence over american politicians, regulators, lawmakers, etc. than eg. russian or chinese ones.

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Avicebron 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Well sure they do, thank Citizens United and others for that. But that doesn't mean we can't appropriately categorize them as also hostile actors alongside russia, china, whoever.

It's undo influence over politics against the best interest of the American people that's the issue. Company, foreign nation, it doesn't matter.

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advael 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Citizens United did a lot to effectively legalize foreign influence as well, since the mechanism is opaque transfer of money

But regardless, most people's threat models should discount based on geographic and political distance. All else being equal, chinese surveillance is a bigger threat to you if you're in china than if you're in the us, and vice versa

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Avicebron 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Citizens United did a lot to effectively legalize foreign influence as well, since the mechanism is opaque transfer of money

Here's hoping Hawaii blazes a path forward.

https://natlawreview.com/article/hawaii-governor-signs-first...

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twoodfin 2 hours ago | parent [-]

So the Honolulu Star-Observer (a corporation, or “artificial person”) only has those rights & privileges that it has been granted by the State of Hawaii?

This is going to end up being a nice little windfall for the attorneys and otherwise just clog the Federal court system.

	▲	Avicebron 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		"the day the law goes into effect, it strips each Hawaii entity of the powers it held the day before. The new law asserts that “[t]he creation and continued existence of a corporation is not a right but a conditional grant of legal status by the State and remains subject to complete withdrawal at any time. All powers previously granted to corporations under the laws of this State are revoked in their entirety."(TFA) The meaning is pretty clear, don't try to influence politics in favor of the corporation or you will go away. Simple as.

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twoodfin 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Transfer of money from whom to whom?

Citizens United was about spending money on electioneering communications, and whether there was a First Amendment right to do so even if you’re associating in a corporation like the New York Times Company or Apple or Citizens United or the Sierra Club.

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tcp_handshaker 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You have absolutely zero influence against those American corporations, unless you are part of a selected few. Its almost endearing that you think so...

"Trump traded hundreds of millions in US securities in 2026" - https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-traded-hundreds-mill...

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groundzeros2015 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I suspect the recent space X S&P decision had something to do with public perception.

	▲	somenameforme 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I think the odds of that are low. It's not like decision maker(s) are watching social media and going with the vibes, but it's almost certain that there's a rich conversation going on behind the scenes in opaque channels, especially with regards to the AI-only companies. And those conversations are likely what drove their decision.
	▲	Dylan16807 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		The decision was to do nothing, though. That's not much precedent for going out and punishing lawbreakers.