| ▲ | kstrauser 4 hours ago |
| I'm in the position to make security policies at work, and one of them is that no smart glasses are allowed in the office. We will not be having workers aiming Facebook glasses at our screens showing confidential information. And along those lines, I can think of damn few scenarios where I'd be OK with someone using face recognition against me. Restaurants? It's not Facebook's business to know where I like to eat, presumably to sell ads to show to me. Music clubs? They don't need to know what I listen to. Anything vaguely resembling a public bathroom? Fuck right off with that. Public sidewalks? I don't want them tracking who I spend time talking to. No, I can't really think of any situation where I'd be remotely OK with this being used. To be blunt, I kinda hope this quickly turns not into just a public shaming against people wearing public spyware, but a situation where people are physically afraid to be caught wearing them outside. I think the branch of future possibilities where it's called out as antisocial behavior to poison public spaces like this would be a happier world than one where it becomes common behavior. Edit: In before the "do you ban cell phone cameras at work, too?" unclever gotcha: Yes. Yes, we'd definitely ban people spending the whole day holding their cell phone cameras up to their screens to record their work. We don't share confidential info with anyone other than vendors we've vetted and contracted with. If I walked by a desk and saw someone recording, I would pull them aside and explain why they're on thin ice. |
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| ▲ | monkpit 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| To make matters worse, I’ve seen threads where people with these glasses discuss how to circumvent/disable the “now recording” light, so people won’t know when they’re active. |
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| ▲ | kstrauser 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | Cider9986 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I am highly opposed to these glasses, but there's nothing you can do about it in public besides swearing at these people and not being friends with them. | | |
| ▲ | Findecanor 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sometimes I have wished I had a handheld EMP gun for such situations. What are they going to do? It would be harmless to living beings and leave no trace. Their device would simply stop working suddenly. | | |
| ▲ | kstrauser 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | 1. I am sympathetic to the notion, in fictional settings. 2. Real world pacemakers, deep brain stimulators, infusion pumps, cochlear implants, etc. may be less tolerant of it. |
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| ▲ | RobotToaster 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That's still common assault. | | | |
| ▲ | thrownthatway 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Gives a whole new meaning to the term spyware. Spywear | | |
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| ▲ | fc417fc802 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think it's important to keep in mind the difference between metadata versus full video as well as the difference between centralized versus device local solutions. I don't want BigTech tracking my every interaction any more than the government but I don't mind if the dash cam on my neighbor's car logs when I walk by his driveway so long as it isn't uploading that data to a third party. But of course most people don't want to self host and most services aren't E2EE so I won't try to pretend that any of this is important in practice at present. But if we're thinking about possible regulations and the world as we'd like it to be then it becomes relevant. |
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| ▲ | kstrauser an hour ago | parent [-] | | That's an important distinction, but yes, it's irrelevant here. If Apple offered on-device, privacy-preserving, not-uploaded facial recognition, I wouldn't be inherently opposed to it. There's no way Facebook wouldn't feed that data right into their own Eye of Sauron. Same with Logitech Circle doorbells that tell you which of your friends or family is at the front door, using local computing. That's a great feature. I wouldn't use a Ring camera that was shipping the data back to Amazon and any number of police departments. |
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| ▲ | flir 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The tech's there. The genie can't be put back in the bottle, and it will only get cheaper and more invasive. Only question we have any control over is... do we want everyone to have it, or only govs and corps? There's a second-amendment-like argument here, imo, that is very hard to push back on - because at least this stuff doesn't kill people. I want every cop to be surrounded by five or six recording devices that they don't control at all times - it's the least worst option. (Obviously I'm not a fan of the "everying goes to facebook" architecture. I'm hoping we get past that). |
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| ▲ | yuliyp 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The tech's also been there to put cameras everywhere, and to wiretap every phone, etc. We put guardrails in place to control how that tech is deployed. | | |
| ▲ | senordevnyc 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Man, I can’t tell if this is sarcastic or not… | |
| ▲ | awesome_dude 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Very limited guard rails (WRT cameras) - they can't be in bathrooms is about all I am aware of as a universal restriction |
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| ▲ | NicuCalcea 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | We can't put the genie back in the bottle, but we can control how we react to it. As far as I'm concerned, I will treat people wearing smart glasses the same way I would treat someone shoving a smartphone camera in my face. I'll just refuse to engage with them. | |
| ▲ | jimbokun 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If only people already had recording device in their pocket they take with them everywhere… | | |
| ▲ | Cider9986 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This is more like putting hidden cameras in hotels. The difference is the discrete factor and the facial recognition. Both are disgusting imo. | |
| ▲ | kstrauser 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How often you see someone taping a phone to their head and wearing it into a bathroom? It's sociopathic to wear spywear in a public setting. |
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| ▲ | Forgeties79 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They haven’t even sold 10mill units. We can still say no. | |
| ▲ | wizzwizz4 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Are you forgetting Google Glass? We put this genie back into the bottle once: we can do it again. | | |
| ▲ | rightbyte 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I was going to write something about that. The "techno fatalism" is annoyingly strong nowadays. |
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| ▲ | convolvatron 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | you're implying there is some kind of symmetry here, that facial recognition will empower individuals in a way to counteract the power given to governments and corporations. I should try to compile my own database of everyone's location? I fail to see how it helps me in any way | | |
| ▲ | thereisnospork 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | You as an individual? Probably not, but you could lobby your local government to, for instance, require any such dataset taken from information in the public be subject to the freedom of information act. | | |
| ▲ | fwip 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Victims of stalking would likely be greatly harmed by such a rule. |
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| ▲ | innerHTML 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| while I agree with you I can definitely see women wearing it to "feel safe". during dark months women wear vests with lights on them. admittedly I have not seen any of them wear bodycams yet. |
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| ▲ | bryanlarsen 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The big difference is that if a woman wears a camera to make her feel safer, she'll do it in a way that it's obvious she's recording. The whole point is to make potential attackers aware that they're being recorded. A gopro or a cell phone camera body mount works a lot better for this than meta glasses. | |
| ▲ | kstrauser 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I can definitely see women not wanting to be facially recognized as they're minding their own business and walking home from work and not wanting to be stalked. | |
| ▲ | footy 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I live in Canada (many dark months) and am a woman who knows many women and I've never known anyone to wear a vest with a light on them. I do own a hat with a light that I use when I'm walking to the gym in the dark so that drivers will see me, but so do many of my friends and it doesn't seem to be gendered. I also fail to see how facial recognition would be analogous to lights in terms of safety or frankly anything else. |
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