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edbaskerville 17 days ago

Indeed. Even positing an illusion seems like a contradiction. If it's illusory, doesn't there need to be a subjective entity experiencing the illusion?

MichaelZuo 17 days ago | parent [-]

This proves too much. As it would imply parrots have sapiencee.

jazzypants 17 days ago | parent [-]

Why do you think that parrots do not have sapience? How would one even measure such a thing?

beering 17 days ago | parent [-]

Because by definition, sapience is something only humans have. Ergo, parrots are not sapient.

More meta, all of the threads on this page are just people playing games with definitions. Eg, “qualia is something I have as a human but machines don’t have it. Therefore, LLMs do not have qualia.”

jazzypants 16 days ago | parent | next [-]

You're confused about the etymology. Homo Sapiens was coined in the 1800s. People have been saying "sapient" since the 1300s, and it is rooted from the Latin word "sapientem" which simply means "sensible; shrewd, knowing, discrete". Homo Sapiens just means "wise human", and we humbly bestowed the name upon ourselves.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/sapient

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#Etymology_and_definition

f_klem 17 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> More meta, all of the threads on this page are just people playing games with definitions. Eg, “qualia is something I have as a human but machines don’t have it. Therefore, LLMs do not have qualia.” True. For me, the actual interesting debate is not if LLMs are intelligent or not (easy to dismiss) but to what extent LLMs embed into our socio-techno-economic reality.