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MichaelZuo 11 days ago

This proves too much. As it would imply parrots have sapiencee.

jazzypants 11 days ago | parent [-]

Why do you think that parrots do not have sapience? How would one even measure such a thing?

beering 11 days ago | parent [-]

Because by definition, sapience is something only humans have. Ergo, parrots are not sapient.

More meta, all of the threads on this page are just people playing games with definitions. Eg, “qualia is something I have as a human but machines don’t have it. Therefore, LLMs do not have qualia.”

jazzypants 11 days ago | parent | next [-]

You're confused about the etymology. Homo Sapiens was coined in the 1800s. People have been saying "sapient" since the 1300s, and it is rooted from the Latin word "sapientem" which simply means "sensible; shrewd, knowing, discrete". Homo Sapiens just means "wise human", and we humbly bestowed the name upon ourselves.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/sapient

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#Etymology_and_definition

f_klem 11 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> More meta, all of the threads on this page are just people playing games with definitions. Eg, “qualia is something I have as a human but machines don’t have it. Therefore, LLMs do not have qualia.” True. For me, the actual interesting debate is not if LLMs are intelligent or not (easy to dismiss) but to what extent LLMs embed into our socio-techno-economic reality.