| ▲ | p0w3n3d an hour ago |
| Doesn't visiting hacker news count as personal growth? Or am I supposed to grow professionally outside the work? |
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| ▲ | veber-alex an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| Yep. One time my manager did a hour long lecture for our team on how personal growth is important and that we all should expand our horizons and learn new stuff. When I tried to reserve 2 hours A WEEK for studying tasks I got push back that I should do it on my own time. It was a complete joke. |
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| ▲ | consp an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | This sounds like the "everything you create in your own time is company property since we cannot distinguish if what you do in your own time isn't company related" clause in some contracts. Under no circumstance is it actable where I live, but it can sure scare the hell out of people and presents a line of thought. Yes, some companies think they can own copyright on the things you write at home. | | |
| ▲ | ChrisMarshallNY 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I call that the "shower clause," because the company claims ownership of any ideas you come up with, in the shower. I think, like noncompetes, there's limits to how far the company can actually enforce it, but they bank on the fact that they have lawyers on permanent retainer, and you don't. Even standing up for your rights, against blatant corporate overreach, is expensive. | | | |
| ▲ | Tangurena2 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In the US, the enforceability of that sort of thing depends on the state. Generally, if that state enforces non-competes (other than for selling the business, or managerial staff), then it most likely enforces "you're salaried, so everything you invent belongs to us". The legal term to search is "work for hire". | |
| ▲ | tripledry 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I always ask companies to remove that clause from contracts, I think all offers I've ever got had that clause, but also 100% removed it on request. | |
| ▲ | doubled112 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | If my contract says that I must be available immediately at any time, do I have ANY personal time? Or is all of my time their time too? | | |
| ▲ | daveshistory 21 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Absolutely. Your personal time is that time which, in retrospect, the company didn't need you for. It's strictly a backward-looking definition. |
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| ▲ | belorn 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is when I would look up the nearest course for the subject that the job would want me to study, including the cost, time and travel distance. Talk is always much cheaper than the real thing. | |
| ▲ | JTbane an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm experiencing a similar thing- company pushes online lectures but don't even think about putting them on the sprint board. | |
| ▲ | Viliam1234 38 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I wonder what happens when you have kids and you can no longer spend your free time to keep learning new things that your company wants you to know. (Just kidding, I know what happens... they will fire you and hire someone who doesn't have kids.) | | |
| ▲ | stymaar 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > (Just kidding, I know what happens... they will fire you and hire someone who doesn't have kids.) And then the boss will blame young people for collapsing the demography and endangering the country. | |
| ▲ | ramgine 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | You either fall behind/into a rut, or like you said, get let go. It’s scary |
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| ▲ | chaosharmonic an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Most of my knowledge of new tools comes from newsletters, forums, and content creators. I find things through passive media consumption (and, where I can get it, discourse with other enthusiasts) more often than I find them in the course of trying to solve specific problems. But not all managers think that your learning sources are valid, and care more that you spend time on their learning paths. Even if it's your off time. (Yes, there is a story attached to this haha... and more importantly, several different writeups[1][2][3] on how random internet wanderings have been more beneficial to my overall technological capability than people who insist on the importance of a CS background when building dashboards and client UIs. In practice, thanks to a dev box with insufficient RAM, and your typical tabbed-browsing problem, I used `pkill` over `ssh` -- something I picked up from toying with Over the Wire levels in my off time -- a lot more often than I used linked lists at that job.) [1] bhmt.dev/blog/scraping [2] bhmt.dev/blog/ctf [3] bhmt.dev/blog/feeds |
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| ▲ | yoyohello13 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| One time my manager messaged me panicking about a big nextjs vulnerability. I told him, no worries, I saw it on HN and we patched weeks ago. He told me to use HN at work as much as I want. |
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| ▲ | javcasas an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No. You should grow professionally outside of work by also following the work-mandated professional development plan. And you will be punished if you don't do it, or you do it at a pace that doesn't match expectations. You know, don't forget the details. |
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| ▲ | chrismustcode an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I once got told for an internal promotion I couldn't put anything regarding my current role, responsibilities and achievements in the role. I got told to put any volunteering or previous. Reason given was it's what is expected at work everything you do in your role, you need to show above and beyond. |
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| ▲ | LiquidSky an hour ago | parent [-] | | Seems like that'd just discourage people from going above and beyond at work. Why do more than the bare minimum to avoid being fired if nothing else you do counts? | | |
| ▲ | Forgeties79 an hour ago | parent [-] | | >Look, we want you to express yourself, okay? Now if you feel that the bare minimum is enough, then okay. But some people choose to wear more and we encourage that, okay? You do want to express yourself, don't you? (This is from Office Space for those who don’t know. Hilarious scene with Jennifer Aniston) | | |
| ▲ | eecc an hour ago | parent [-] | | The Flair scene? Oh seriously than got me so much vicarious embarrassment, I feel uneasy just at the thought of it. | | |
| ▲ | ProllyInfamous 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | [Jennifer Anniston flips Mike Judge the bird, on-screen #inLove] >>"How's THIS for expression?!? I'm sick and TIRED of this ... job!" ---- I will never go above&beyond again – for any corporate entity – ever again. You can blame past corporate bullies, not yourselves. |
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| ▲ | mikeyinternews an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Or grow professionally during work hours using a personal device. |
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| ▲ | Hamuko an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Maybe? And yes. |
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| ▲ | taude an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| You're 100% supposed to grow professionally outside of work. |
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