| ▲ | veber-alex an hour ago |
| Yep. One time my manager did a hour long lecture for our team on how personal growth is important and that we all should expand our horizons and learn new stuff. When I tried to reserve 2 hours A WEEK for studying tasks I got push back that I should do it on my own time. It was a complete joke. |
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| ▲ | consp an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| This sounds like the "everything you create in your own time is company property since we cannot distinguish if what you do in your own time isn't company related" clause in some contracts. Under no circumstance is it actable where I live, but it can sure scare the hell out of people and presents a line of thought. Yes, some companies think they can own copyright on the things you write at home. |
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| ▲ | ChrisMarshallNY 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I call that the "shower clause," because the company claims ownership of any ideas you come up with, in the shower. I think, like noncompetes, there's limits to how far the company can actually enforce it, but they bank on the fact that they have lawyers on permanent retainer, and you don't. Even standing up for your rights, against blatant corporate overreach, is expensive. | | | |
| ▲ | Tangurena2 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In the US, the enforceability of that sort of thing depends on the state. Generally, if that state enforces non-competes (other than for selling the business, or managerial staff), then it most likely enforces "you're salaried, so everything you invent belongs to us". The legal term to search is "work for hire". | |
| ▲ | tripledry 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I always ask companies to remove that clause from contracts, I think all offers I've ever got had that clause, but also 100% removed it on request. | |
| ▲ | doubled112 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | If my contract says that I must be available immediately at any time, do I have ANY personal time? Or is all of my time their time too? | | |
| ▲ | daveshistory 22 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Absolutely. Your personal time is that time which, in retrospect, the company didn't need you for. It's strictly a backward-looking definition. |
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| ▲ | belorn 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is when I would look up the nearest course for the subject that the job would want me to study, including the cost, time and travel distance. Talk is always much cheaper than the real thing. |
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| ▲ | JTbane an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm experiencing a similar thing- company pushes online lectures but don't even think about putting them on the sprint board. |
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| ▲ | Viliam1234 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I wonder what happens when you have kids and you can no longer spend your free time to keep learning new things that your company wants you to know. (Just kidding, I know what happens... they will fire you and hire someone who doesn't have kids.) |
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| ▲ | stymaar 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > (Just kidding, I know what happens... they will fire you and hire someone who doesn't have kids.) And then the boss will blame young people for collapsing the demography and endangering the country. | |
| ▲ | ramgine 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | You either fall behind/into a rut, or like you said, get let go. It’s scary |
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