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| ▲ | DrewADesign an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| So someone could go and teach a class on how to build pipe bombs, refine ricin, shake-and-bake meth, 3D print guns, and all sorts of other things like that, and when the ATF looked into it, they’d just be like “well technically this is all out there on the Internet, in library books, etc. Guess it’s ok!” The law doesn’t work like that. |
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| ▲ | Legend2440 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The Anarchist Cookbook is fully legal to possess and distribute in the United States: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchist_Cookbook So yes. It is generally legal to provide information about making drugs, bombs, or guns. | |
| ▲ | skinfaxi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The law bans things, things aren't illegal by default. What laws does a class about 3d printing guns violate? | |
| ▲ | andoando an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Im pretty sure thats all legal | |
| ▲ | plagiarist an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There should be some SCOTUS case where this limitation on the First Amendment is defined if the law doesn't work like that. I mean, back when Constitutional law meant anything to the government, of course. Nowadays who knows. | | |
| ▲ | mrandish 29 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > limitation on the First Amendment This suit has nothing to do with free speech and the F1A provides no relevant protection here. This prosecution is under consumer protection law. Broadly, the cause of action is "you negligently sold a defective product which you knew (or should have known) actually causes harm or is likely to cause harm." Proving negligence (willful or otherwise) depends significantly on things like the sales and usage context as well as claimed features of the product along with disclaimers, disclosures, existing practice, prior knowledge of actual harm, etc. That the product or service in question included supplying information that was publicly available elsewhere wouldn't be an effective defense against claims of willful negligence or reckless endangerment. For example, rat poison is sold in in certain retailers in packaging with copious warnings and successful prosecutions under product liability or consumer protection law are rare. But if another company sold rat poison in bright pink boxes with a cute cartoon mascot and no warnings in toy stores - and then kept selling it after they knew three children had bought it and died - the fact the same chemical compound is also commonly sold in hardware stores wouldn't be relevant. To win a judgement, the AG will need to prove that ChatGPT was clearly a dangerous product and OAI acted negligently in supplying it to customers it knew (or should have known) were vulnerable. This will be quite a stretch under existing law. I suspect the AG has no intention of taking this case to trial and, shortly after the November elections, will settle for a lump sum fine paid to the state treasury and a vaguely worded consent decree which mirrors internal policies and product changes OAI has already adopted to minimize liability. |
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| ▲ | CamperBob2 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes. Yes, it does work like that. Exactly like that. |
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| ▲ | elictronic 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When the repository has large arrows pointing to kill your {var} with customized pamphlets outlining the steps and highlighting mistakes you specifically might make based on your post history I’m betting a judge or jury might consider you an accomplice at that point. We’re already seeing section 230 protections being defeated in court for targeted feeds, now add itemized instructions on committing felony’s at scale personalized. Hahahahaha. Hope they IPO quickly. |
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| ▲ | calmworm 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If a human was found to be specifically putting these how-tos together for someone they might be liable. Edit: why vote this down? It’s part of a discussion. This isn’t Reddit. |
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| ▲ | beeblebok an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There are already published examples where there was very specific info and guidance provided. |
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| ▲ | notahacker an hour ago | parent [-] | | Beyond the info and guidance, there's also the classic sycophantic encouragement. Humans are allowed to publish the Anarchist's Cookbook, but they tend to get into trouble when it becomes "based on your manifesto, I would suggest the following targets". Of course, AI isn't human, and treating a software program like a human probably isn't good law, but OpenAI are very keen to suggest it's legally equivalent to a human when it suits them... | | |
| ▲ | jddj 37 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > OpenAI are very keen to suggest it's legally equivalent to a human when it suits them When is/was that? (Not rhetorical) |
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| ▲ | SV_BubbleTime 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Full transcripts are unfortunately not available for any of those cases, And they never would be without the lawsuits, so, I don’t feel bad for OpenAI. All of big tech needs a kick in the ass on transparency. |
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| ▲ | beering an hour ago | parent [-] | | I don’t think the families are eager for the HN peanut gallery to pick apart what their loved ones said. |
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