| ▲ | ekidd an hour ago |
| > Why is this time different? If it was just programming being automated, then whatever. Lots of professions have been automated and society adapts. The underlying worry here is that current AI provides a partial automation of intelligence. The endgame for the investors and the corporations using AI is complete automation of intelligence (and manual labor, too). They want a $25,000 robot that works around the clock, and AI models that will do anything a human office worker can do for less money. Now, they don't know how to build either yet. But they'll spend every last dollar on the planet trying. Strictly speaking, they don't even need us as customers. They can just have the robots build them yachts and mansions directly. And act as security guards. |
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| ▲ | daxfohl 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| Reminds me of the old short story "With Folded Hands" front 1947. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_Folded_Hands_... |
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| ▲ | unsnap_biceps 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Strictly speaking, they don't even need us as customers. They can just have the robots build them yachts and mansions directly. And act as security guards. That sounds like we'll devolve into wars over resources so houses can build more war-bots and get more resources.... |
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| ▲ | neutronicus 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Once there are like 150,000 humans resources will be functionally unlimited | |
| ▲ | D-Machine 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > That sounds like we'll devolve into wars over resources Two astronauts meme: "Wait, it's all been over resources?" "Always has been" | |
| ▲ | scoofy 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I mean, you are describing the vast majority of history. | |
| ▲ | smallmancontrov 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Starcraft for Billionaires In the voice of worker-bot: "That's your plan?!?!" |
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| ▲ | coffeemug 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The future you're describing doesn't seem likely to me because in this event the public will force redistribution through political action. |
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| ▲ | scarmig 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | "Forcing redistribution" doesn't always happen. Typically, redistribution happens when negotiating leverage has increased such that the beneficiaries of any redistribution can make it more painful to not redistribute than to redistribute. I.e. they have labor power, which can be converted to force if necessary. In a world where capital can substitute for labor, however, that substitution also applies to force-wielding labor. People want to strike because of intolerable working conditions? Send in robot scabs. People want to demonstrate en masse against a regime? Have robot officers police them, and have models identify participants so post-event disincentives can be applied. They want to have a violent uprising? Send in the mass fleet of drones. Ideally, you'd avoid these outcomes entirely by molding the population into ideal consumers and distract them with superficial sports team style conflicts, so they never get to the point where collective action is even conceivable. But they're a useful backstop if those strategies fail. | | | |
| ▲ | asdff 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How low do we go before that happens? Look at how poor people are in other countries and still aren't threatening their ruling oligarchy at all. And that is going to happen when all we have are what maybe some AR15s, and they have drones firing precision targeted ordinance at us from 50k feet? | |
| ▲ | idiotsecant 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No they won't, not if they have just enough bread and circuses and someone below them to hate. Boil the frog slowly enough and it'll work out just fine for the capital class. | |
| ▲ | red-iron-pine 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | hasn't happened in the US yet, and probably won't. and they have all of the guns and trucks and toxic masculinity culture that requires survivalism and toughness and defending muh freedom if the yanks won't, why would the public elsewhere? | | |
| ▲ | fragmede 8 minutes ago | parent [-] | | There are plenty of other countries, with different cultures, and different expectations for how things should work. France for instance, is known for having unions that strike, frequently. Socialism isn't a evil concept in some countries. When America has been co-opted by various factions, why would it be up to the "Yanks" to show the rest of the world the way? |
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| ▲ | nerdsniper 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Strictly speaking, they don't even need us as customers. I think they'd employ some number of humans for entertainment. |
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| ▲ | danaris 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | At that point, why bother to employ? If we have no recourse, no power to resist them (as must be the case in that scenario), then they might as well just keep us as pets. Or slaves. | |
| ▲ | red-iron-pine 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | they're already replacing actors with AI, mate. Once the slop machine gets better you won't know the difference |
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