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annnoo 33 minutes ago

I had this moment when we designed shirts for the marathon we ran as a group. Instead of Brainstorming something funny, we just prompted ChatGPT and chose one of the results.

I felt lost immediately. All the creativity, the humanity, the endless hours of putting soul into something. Gone

For one hour or so I had some kind of existential crisis. Just because of a funny slogan on a shirt. And sometimes I still feel empty on new projects. You can produce so much things so fast, but if it should be something original - it is hard to get it generated by AI while still feeling that it is something that you came up with

ryandrake 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Ever since I started experimenting with AI coding, I've totally lost that feeling of accomplishment. For projects I actually developed by typing in the code, it feels like I actually did something--like here's something I built and am responsible for bringing into the world. When I finish an AI-built project, I feel...nothing. Just that empty: "Code now exists where it didn't exist before, but I didn't really do anything." Without any sense of ownership or attachment whatsoever. If someone DMCA'ed one of my GitHub projects and made me take it down, I'd be pissed. But if someone DMCA'ed an AI-coded thinggy, I'd probably delete the repo and never think about it again in my life.

sushshshhs 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

If your project contained original thought does it matter if the IFs and the ELSEs were generated?

I sometimes wonder if people get into this to create an actual working something or they just enjoy sorting colored blocks for the heck of it.

I am on the other extreme end: I don’t give a rat’s ass about the code itself. The spec, the intent, the architecture, the contracts are what I find interesting. All the “file handling” and “logging” and syntax wrangling and caring if some “variable” is on the “stack” or the “heap” I can live without very happily. It’s not that they are uninteresting in and of themselves but I find it hard to justify keeping my focus on these microscopic issues again and again and again and again.

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TakeItToTen 5 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I have landed here myself. I have always enjoyed writing code, but I find lately that I am getting so much more satisfaction from the process of exploring and designing systems more, and code is simply the substrate.

I am becoming a better architect with AI, because I am spending more mental energy in that lane, getting less embroiled in the nitty-gritty of the code.

ryandrake 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

There was a thread[1] about this the other day! People have different goals, motivations, and reasons for developing. I guess I just like sorting colored blocks. I'll agonize over the code... I really will go back to a class I wrote months ago and ask "Do I really need this member variable?" and "Does this really need to go on the heap or can it live on the stack and be automatically cleaned up?" "Can I use a pImpl C++ pattern here and reduce the number of headers that this header file includes?"

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48316056

culopatin 19 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

AI is like cheap void calories. Writing by hand is calories from a good home cooked meal with all the nutrients and love, AI code (unless maybe you worked on putting together an AI system and the harness is your build), feels like calories from a Sprite.

Also I’ve been thinking that ai code is like cheap amazon furniture and hand crafted is well… hand crafted.

doug_durham a minute ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It really depends on your goal. If your goal is to spend the evening coming up with funny things to say with your friends, then you shouldn't use AI. If your goal is to finish the t-shirts so that you can move on to the next topic in organizing a very complex event like a marathon, then perhaps you should use tools. Using AI tools isn't a problem. It's lack of care and thoughtlessness. That is the problem. That's always been the problem. AI didn't create it, nor is it making it worse.

socratees 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In general, AI is as impactful as any technology can be. However, for those of us who like to enjoy the process (the act of gathering the info, structuring them and editing them), whether it be writing code, or writing in general, there's a joy in the act of building - straight up finished pieces of work handed over to you, robs you of this space to think and formulate your own views.

I do agree on the "existential crisis" part of it. At work, every time I see someone sign-off of something AI generated without much edits, I feel this fear that we're on to slippery slope where there's no turning back.

layer8 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

As an aside, “impactful” doesn’t necessarily imply that the impact is positive.

jimbokun 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The only reason to put a funny slogan on a shirt is as a reminder of an in joke or the shared process of coming up with the slogan.

It's like we no longer understand the purpose of language itself: to get thoughts out of our head and share them with other people.

jrumbut 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We need to invent new reasons to be together.

I love people, I love spending time with them. Even though I am married, a parent, and living near to several relatives I still get lonely because of a lack of some forms of interaction.

At the same time, the form of interaction I'm missing is not "debating which font to use on a t shirt." I'm glad a robot can do that for me.

We need some genuine human creativity (or hell, use an AI if it gives you a good answer) for ways to get people to interact in joyful ways rather than over shared drudgery.

Let's go running together and let the computer make a t shirt to commemorate it.

jollyllama 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I suppose we won't need to take pictures of ourselves together then either. Just let the AI remember it for us wholesale.

No, I reject that. If there are to be pictures and shirts, let them be real, or let us forego them. If it's acceptable to offload something like this to AI, maybe it wasn't really that important anyway.

jimbokun 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> "debating which font to use on a t shirt."

The AI wasn't picking the font, it was picking the words.

sushshshhs 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Endless hours of putting soul into your shirt? I mean, good for you, but it sounds like your team wasn’t so stoked about that as you are. So I’m not sure you can blame AI for that one.

Give it time. This is a skill (and tooling) issue.

AI enables so goddamn much creativity. You literally don’t know what to do with it, but once society adapts and we all calm TF down we are free to create in whatever capacity we like.

Your shirt? Go to town! Draw something yourself and let AI patch up some rough edges. Do some style transfer. Or don’t use it. That’s still an option. As you said it is hard to create with AI without losing your soul but that’s not inherent to the tech. It’s a massive skill and tooling issue.

Instead of choosing between “do it fully myself” and “let someone else do it” you get a slider now. You get to pick! How awesome is that?

klabb3 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

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cstever 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Endless hours of putting soul into your shirt? I mean, good for you, but it sounds like your team wasn’t so stoked about that as you are. So I’m not sure you can blame AI for that one.

I think you may have misread the parent comment.

And currently AI has no creativity nor does it enhance a human's creativity. It simply regurgitates and at best the human user can lie to themselves that they did it. Look at the "rinse and repeat" of animated movies. Humanity has been in a cycle of regurgitation for quite some time and AI is only going to make it worse.

sushshshhs 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

How did I misread? They chose to use GPT? There is a multitude of options that range from an empty piece of paper to choosing ChatGPT outputs.

That is a very black and white view you got there mate. I’m not sure I agree. Creativity does not need to be in the AI nor does the human need “enhancing”. We can just be creative in new and to me interesting ways. Just like how synthesizers enabled new sounds but you still need to be a musician to get anything good.

Society is still adapting. I say give it time.

jimbokun 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is zero utilitarian value of arbitrary words on a shirt. The shirt will keep sun off your back and absorb your sweat just as well or as poorly with or without the words.

The ONLY point of the words is to express a sentiment shared by the group, creating a bond and solidarity.

But if the sentiment did not come from anyone in the group or from the group as a collective, why put words on the shirt at all?

It's the lie of a shared connection without the reality. Just like social media "friends" or the "intimacy" of porn. Just another way to destroy a little more of our souls.

dominotw 19 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> AI enables so goddamn much creativity.

ironic statment in ai slop comment

saltcured 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I salute your introspection. In my mind, it is better than the alternative cope.

My wife has an ongoing frustration with a colleague who has adopted the mindset, "I reviewed it, so I wrote it". I guess he must sleep well at night, and probably votes in the "AI gives me superpowers bloc", but it is pretty apparent he doesn't really review it much either, because it is full of flaws and absurdity.

dominotw 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> so I had some kind of existential crisis

realization was that you had been generating slop all this while before ai and somehow convinced yourself that it was original and human ?