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alexpotato 2 hours ago

My dad was a stock broker in the late 1970s and remembers when most of trading was 100% manual and firms actually had "runners" who would take stock certificates back and forth between trading firms.

He has this great quote about when computers came out:

"We were told 'computers will save you so much time on work tasks that you won't even know what to do with your free time'. I spent the next 30 years working the same number of hours. "

throw0101a 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> He has this great quote about when computers came out: "We were told 'computers will save you so much time on work tasks that you won't even know what to do with your free time'. I spent the next 30 years working the same number of hours. "

From about one hundred years ago:

> Now it is true that the needs of human beings may seem to be insatiable. But they fall into two classes --those needs which are absolute in the sense that we feel them whatever the situation of our fellow human beings may be, and those which are relative in the sense that we feel them only if their satisfaction lifts us above, makes us feel superior to, our fellows. Needs of the second class, those which satisfy the desire for superiority, may indeed be insatiable; for the higher the general level, the higher still are they. But this is not so true of the absolute needs-a point may soon be reached, much sooner perhaps than we are all of us aware of, when these needs are satisfied in the sense that we prefer to devote our further energies to non-economic purposes.

[…]

> For many ages to come the old Adam will be so strong in us that everybody will need to do some work if he is to be contented. We shall do more things for ourselves than is usual with the rich to-day, only too glad to have small duties and tasks and routines. But beyond this, we shall endeavour to spread the bread thin on the butter-to make what work there is still to be done to be as widely shared as possible. Three-hour shifts or a fifteen-hour week may put off the problem for a great while. For three hours a day is quite enough to satisfy the old Adam in most of us!

* John Maynard Keynes, "Economic Possibilities for our Grandchildren" (1930)

* http://www.econ.yale.edu/smith/econ116a/keynes1.pdf

An essay putting forward / hypothesizing four reasons on why the above did not happen (We haven't spread the wealth around enough; People actually love working; There's no limit to human desires; Leisure is expensive):

* https://www.vox.com/2014/11/20/7254877/keynes-work-leisure

rjbwork 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

> John Maynard Keynes

a song inspired by this

https://open.spotify.com/track/0whF2nmheoecP6k1GxH5Ah

xiaoyu2006 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Human had all the industrialization and stuff, yet we work 5 days / week now.

dyauspitr 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

People waited around a lot before, and since the baseline speed for everything was slower, no one had an edge. Now everything is fast and instantaneous and that’s available to everyone. It’s part of the reason why our lives are so stressful now. I remember my parents working and their work had significantly less stress on a day-to-day basis. Everything was at a nice relaxed human pace. They would be responsible for one excel sheet’s worth of work per week, which we can now do in an hour or two.

kevinsmith51 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

Environment doesn't impose stress on us. Our reaction to it does. Learn to control that response, can use it to your advantage when you choose to let it in.

davemp 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I’m pretty certain there are physiological limits that you can’t just muscle through and stress _can_ be an indicator that you’re reaching said limits.

dyauspitr 15 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

That’s all well and good, but I kind of live for things outside of my career (even though I have a good one).

krapp an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

People work 5 days a week because of protracted violent strikes by unions and socialist revolutionaries forcing governments to recognize labor rights. Prior to that the norm was working 7 days a week, sunup to sundown, with only Christmas off, from adolescence until you died.

11101010010001 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

SEs would rather play many player versions of the prisoner's dilemma than unionize.

lofties 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

You're right. We need to bring back protracted violent strikes by unions and socialists!

zasz 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

You know the ones bringing most of the violence were the state and private goons hired by capitalists, right?

paulddraper 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Because human nature it to want more, more than wanting idleness.

class3shock an hour ago | parent [-]

"Because executive and shareholder nature is to want more, more than wanting idleness."

I fixed it for you.

paulddraper an hour ago | parent [-]

That's also true, inclusively.