| ▲ | cwmma 6 hours ago |
| It's specifically about corporations that own property in a specific town voting. So no you can't just spin up a bunch of LLCs to rig an election, this is about the rights of absentee landlords. |
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| ▲ | overfeed a minute ago | parent | next [-] |
| Why can't corporations be toen councilors or mayors in those same towns? A privilege availed to other voters there. I'm being sarcastic because I don't like it. Corporations are a simulacrum of people, and at best, their personhhood a useful legal fiction under very limited number of scenarios. |
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| ▲ | advisedwang 3 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What right? There is no right for non-residents of a city to vote in that city elections just because they own property there. Owning that property via a LLC shouldn't change that. |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > So no you can't just spin up a bunch of LLCs to rig an election… Sure you can. You just have to sell them some land as part of it. |
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| ▲ | SoftTalker 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Land is bought and sold in government-regulated parcels. You can't just split up an acre of land into square foot plots and sell them. | | |
| ▲ | floatrock an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Lets be armchair evil for a sec... What is the smallest subplot you can split a parcel into? And are we talking literally land, or would condo ownership suffice? (After all, you typically stack a few condos on top of one parcel of land). The smallest condo is probably dictated by some pesky human habitability rules, but what class of property has the fewest minimum-square-footage zoning rules? Retail probably has egress rules, but what about industrial spaces? Could you create an industrial park to house a bunch of, to use a rough metaphor, independently-owned/independently-operated phone booths (or whatever other "qualifying use")? Basically is there a category of land-use you could split ownership off at ridiculous scale, offer LLC-as-a-service to buy a bunch of them, and just for fun, tokenize the votes to provably aggregate the absentee ballots at scale via blockchain? If it's one-entity-one-vote, what is the most cost-effective way to maximize the number of qualifying entities? Bonus points for every order of magnitude of synthetic votes you can reasonably achieve over the fleshy variety. | | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker an hour ago | parent [-] | | In most areas, especially any that are at all developed, land parcels and minimum lot sizes are under the control of a county or city commission, council, board, etc. Subdividing a property is as expensive and time consuming as you might imagine dealing with the government, you'll probably need a lawyer to do it properly, have to appear before at at least one if not several public meetings or hearings, etc. And they will almost certainly deny any petition along the lines of the examples you offered. Where I am, things like dividing a 5 acre rural property so that a mother-in-law can live in a cottage near her family are routinely denied. |
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| ▲ | xd1936 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sure, corporations would _never_ get into the real estate market... | |
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| ▲ | cogman10 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why not? Isn't it fundamentally the same idea as apartment complex tenets getting votes? Why couldn't a business sell off lockers to companies giving them voting access? Walk in Closets? Very small room apartments? What's the minimum size of real-estate needed? | |
| ▲ | mindslight an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes, you can. The county does not appear to be registered land (Torrens title) where the Registry would have some say in whether a transfer is valid. So you can straightforwardly hire a surveyor to draw up a plot plan with many square foot chunks, and then execute and record a different deed for each of them. | |
| ▲ | underlipton an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | You can't just split up an acre of land into square foot plots and sell them, so far. |
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| ▲ | davkan 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why become a lord in Scotland when you can become a voter in Delaware. | |
| ▲ | convolvatron an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | say I partitipate in .. 8 businesses in the district, and all of them are independent corporate entities that own the land they operate on. and each of them has multiple owners. I have some influence in the vote of all of these companies, and maybe we can even assume that most of the owners have similar views on things like property taxes in districts they don't reside in. how many votes in that district do I have? |
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| ▲ | Hizonner 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How about fuck absentee landlords, especially if they're not actually people? |
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| ▲ | Avicebron 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Seriously, there should be exceptions for the rare case it's an actual person who can't go for an actual reaaon |
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| ▲ | righthand 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And when my plot of land is co-owned by my 100 shell corporations? |
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| ▲ | cwmma 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't think this is a good opinion or anything, but issues with vote dilution were expressly addressed in the opinion. | |
| ▲ | nh23423fefe 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why are you pretending this argument wasn't addressed in the opinion? | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | But it wasn't, really. > Where a voter is entitled
to vote by virtue of being both a resident and as an owner of real
property, that voter shall be entitled to only one vote; where a voter
is entitled to vote by ownership of two or more parcels of real
property, that voter shall be entitled to only one vote. > Any legal entity other than a natural person entitled to vote, must
cast its vote by a duly executed and notarized power of attorney from
the legal entity granting the authority to cast its vote to its
designated attorney-in-fact… The person casting the ballot for such
entity shall be age 18 on or before the date of the election and a
citizen of the United States. That just means I have to give 100 people POAs. | | |
| ▲ | forgetfulness 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Also what constitutes ownership here? Couldn't some Enterprising Individuals open 100 shell companies, pool together resources and form the Legalize Asbestos Consortium, the Consortium buys a plot of land and then each stakeholder of the Consortium counts as an owner of the plot of land? | | |
| ▲ | joshkel 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | FWIW, it sounds like the judge may be open to ruling against such an action. From his decision at https://aboutblaw.com/blQg: > Even if Plaintiff had made a “vote dilution” or “one person/one vote” claim under the Equal Protection Clause, it fails. Plaintiff does not assert facts that would adequately support such a claim. Plaintiff does not allege... that natural person voters are a minority or are politically cohesive [or] that entity property owners vote sufficiently as a bloc to usually defeat the preferred candidates of natural persons. Although he also notes that the recent Callais case, severely weakening section 2 of the Voting Rights Act, may change this - and, of course, waiting until the Legalize Asbestos Consortium is doing its thing and trying to file a lawsuit is much more complex than preemptively saying "only natural persons can vote." | |
| ▲ | kulahan 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Asbestos is still used today in some instances. Should’ve used heroin or something |
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| ▲ | SoftTalker 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What would probably happen is that all the the owners of the property would have to designate one POA among themselves to represent their collective interest in that property. |
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| ▲ | rithdmc 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I didn't see anything about this in the opinion. It does say that multiple owners of a single property can not have their voting rights apportioned by value, as this would be dilution or would not fit one person/one vote. |
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| ▲ | stefantalpalaru 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
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