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natebc 3 hours ago

Junior devs should still read to learn how to write the code.

Surely the desired state isn't that nobody knows how to write code any more right?

CharlieDigital 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

    > Surely the desired state isn't that nobody knows how to write code any more right?
Shaping up like that in my org. At least one mid-career dev says he no longer looks at code.

I still look at code and find that agents work best when I write the foundation and then vibe on top of my hand-written code. Works extremely well because agent picks up my style accurately.

majormajor 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Hopefully your management is trying to answer the following question: is said middle-career dev outproducing their past self, and others who still look at code, with:

1) submitted changes that don't need any more revision than their previous human-written ones when it comes to code review?

2) no increase in bug incidents

3) no slow-down in peer work or future work caused by humans-or-agents having to fight increasingly overly-complicated, poorly-factored, copypasta-style code or god methods? (this might not be evident yet)

(Another question is how well is this person doing their job as a reviewer, making sure to keep the product quality bar high, without looking at code?)

Anyone in an org with coworkers no longer writing code needs to be making sure their managers have a pulse on the long-term health of the product to see who's doing it well (lots of test coverage, shipping only super-high-quality, refined-from-multiple angles stuff) or just being lazy (shipping first drafts that continually add debt to various files and methods).

eclipxe 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you know how to operate a punch card?

merlincorey 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, and IBM has current documentation if you need to that has been updated in 2026: https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/3.2.0?topic=considerations-u...

It's generally and simply an encoding of what amounts to binary machine code which you translate via assembly code acting as a deterministic compiler from assembly to machine code if you are doing it manually.

LLMs aren't a deterministic process and human languages aren't as clear as machine code and assembly.

natebc 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes. But Python isn't punch cards behind the scenes so it's not the same thing at all.

Besides. You're not asking <AGENT OF THE WEEK> to produce punch cards to jam into the PDP.

eric__cartman 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If I transported you to the 1960s and gave you a wizard that could punch cards for you with a chance of making a mistake, would you still bother to learn how to operate a punch card?

What would you do if the wizard gets stuck? Coarse the wizard into making the black box work through somebody else's direct perspective on the problem?

CharlieDigital 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think this is comparable.

It's more like a restaurant. You give an order and a little while later, a finished dish appears.

The difference between a Chipotle and a Michelin starred establishment is that Chipotle is just assembling a mass produced good. A Michelin chef knows their ingredients inside and out; knows the science of how those ingredients work; knows varied techniques to extract flavors, create textures, etc.

Anyone can work in a Chipotle; few can achieve a Michelin star.

wpollock 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Do you know how to operate a punch card?

I remember! You created a control card, with tab stops and other controls, wrapped it around a control drum, and then had an easy time punching your source FORTRAN!

I just looked and found my old control drum, in the back of my junk drawer. But I can't find an old punch card machine in there, most have lost it somehow.

jhide 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you maintain a system in which punch cards play a critical role?

ares623 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you let your Jenkins re-inference your entire program from markdown files on each push?

throwaway613746 3 hours ago | parent [-]

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