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| ▲ | stouset an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| The engine that failed on the Southwest flight was a CFM International CFM56, which has also been used on multiple Airbus planes including the A320. The engine itself as well as the containment mechanism that’s supposed to prevent this kind of situation were the responsibility of CFM and had nothing to do with Boeing. This could just as easily have happened on an A320. This example only serves to highlight how popular narratives take hold and get reinforced by laypeople. Boeing absolutely deserves to be raked through the coals over MCAS, over their deteriorating engineering culture, and over regulatory capture. But blame them for the things they actually carry responsibility for. |
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| ▲ | 866-RON-0-FEZ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If we're stringing random facts together to try and make a point, Airbus was found guilty two days ago of manslaughter in the 2009 Air France crash that fell into the ocean. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czd2qmdvmq6o It's the same airplane as the MRTT, A330. |
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| ▲ | celsoazevedo 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I think it's fair to call out the parent comment for things that are not exactly caused by Boeing (eg: the engine failure), but I also think it's important to look at the why. In the case you're referring too, the focus was on poor training and failure to follow up on earlier incidents. It's not the same as designing a system based around a single sensor that is known to fail or forgetting to bolt a door. |
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| ▲ | Retric an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Incidents that are over five years old have minimal impact in terms of current competition between Boing and Airbus. The airbus A320 family is associated with 1,490 fatalities, there’s just a vast number of flights daily so tiny risks add up. Companies buying new aircraft care far more about maintenance to fuel efficiency than a few rare incidents due to already corrected issues. |
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| ▲ | harmmonica an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Can you shed a bit more light on this? I can't find any evidence that there are that many fatalities related to that plane, at least related to its operations in flight. Seems like there are few or if my quick look shows even zero fatalities related to it flying. You wrote "associated" but can you define what you mean by that? During manufacturing, maintenance and other non-flight-related incidents? | | |
| ▲ | Retric an hour ago | parent [-] | | That was a mistake on my part those are A320 numbers not A380. | | |
| ▲ | harmmonica an hour ago | parent [-] | | Ah, gotcha. Probably not supposed to reply with this, but applaud your quick correction! |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > The airbus A380 family is associated with 1,490 fatalities… What? The A380 has never had a single fatality or even injuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A380#Accidents_and_inci... > Incidents are over five years old have minimal impact in terms of current competition between Boing and Airbus. Airbus (and Boeing) has a decade-long backlog. They absolutely do. https://flightplan.forecastinternational.com/2026/04/14/airb... | | | |
| ▲ | dorfsmay an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | A380? Did you mean A320? | | |
| ▲ | Retric an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yes, corrected remembered the fatalities but should have looked it up anyway. |
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| ▲ | rootsudo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No, majority of Boeing orders to foreign countries use USA backed loans or is a significant part of pushing US interests in the world. The message here, and it’s granted if you’re not aviation, finance or political aware is Italy keeping their aviation sector EU based being In the EU themselves and most likely getting tremendously better financing. While the Boeing incidents you mentioned are unfortunate and a true consequence of engineering culture eroding at Boeing, it does not dispel the true safety of aviation in general nor the high success of the 737 Max. |
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| ▲ | shevy-java 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Yeah - the mass casualties with regards to Max, changed things a lot. Boeing used to be about enginering; that quality dropped indeed decades ago. Not sure why or how. |
