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| ▲ | solenoid0937 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The current admin does not understand that our lead comes from immigrants. Sorry, but most Americans are kind of mediocre academically. I do not understand why the "American First" MAGA crowd can't get it through their thick skulls that everything nice they have, including our technological lead, is built by immigrants that are just smarter than they are. This is just an ego problem I suspect. It bruises the ego of MAGA voters to realize that immigrants actually are smarter, they actually do get paid more (and not because they're "taking the jobs" but because they are actually more desirable.) |
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| ▲ | jedberg an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It's a simple matter of math. The USA has less than 5% of the world's population. It's statistically impossible for that 5% to be the smartest 5% in the world. Therefore, if we want the smartest people in the world, we have to allow immigrants. | | |
| ▲ | hallole 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The smartest aren't uniformly distributed across the Earth. | | |
| ▲ | jedberg 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That's true. It is possible that the smartest 5% are all here in the USA. But it is statistically unlikely that's true. | | |
| ▲ | hallole 25 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You put words in my mouth. I don't claim that the smartest are clustered in the USA. |
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| ▲ | jerkstate an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | is your contention that this new process is too difficult for the smartest 5% in the world to figure out? | | |
| ▲ | jedberg an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | No? Not sure how you reached that conclusion. I'm just stating that the USA needs immigrants if we want to increase our median intelligence because we can't possibly have the smartest people in the world born here. | |
| ▲ | ori_b 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The smartest 5% are able to figure out where they're not welcome. https://yaledailynews.com/articles/international-grad-school... | |
| ▲ | SpicyLemonZest an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The current American immigration process is not figure-out-able. As any immigration lawyer will tell you, there's strategies with higher or lower chances of success, but there's nothing at all like a roadmap which will definitely lead to permanent residency if you follow it well. | |
| ▲ | genxy 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | come on, don't do this here. |
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| ▲ | eecc an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I’m not sure US academia is mediocre. It’s more like… normal? But America being what it is, it attracts those with most potential creating and sustaining a network effect. But there’s nothing intrinsically good or bad of the US, and it’s quite easy to mess up the equilibrium and go back to the mediocrity you mentioned | | |
| ▲ | seanmcdirmid an hour ago | parent [-] | | It’s a numbers game. Taking the best from the world talent pool is going to provide better results than from the much smaller American talent pool. Unless your country has more than a billion people, you need to look at world talent. | | |
| ▲ | genxy 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The US has to especially encourage immigration since we have gone out of our way to make the education system systemically broken. Our funnel is broken on purpose. Look at countries with strong showings in things like chess or running. Why is that? They encourage large populations of kids to participate, the larger the pool the more top performers. |
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| ▲ | deeg an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's not an ego problem. It's a racial one. | |
| ▲ | hallole 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Our lead does not come from immigrants. The American people, who are a distinct people, have shown time and again a potential for great things. Even if it were true, there are wider effects of immigration that you must consider. The purpose of life isn't to increase GDP. It reflects poorly on you that you must cast your opponents as being stupid and spiteful. Could it be that MAGA voters are humans with real motivations and rationales? | | |
| ▲ | james_marks 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | By “American People” you mean native Americans? Because Literally everyone else in the US is an immigrant. Or are you referring to the Spanish that settled the west? The French in the far south? The Italians and Jews that populated New York? The British and Africans? I’m painting in broad strokes, but to say “the American People” as if it’s somehow distinct from immigrants is just ladder pulling. | |
| ▲ | krapp 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Unless your people walked across the Bering Strait during the last ice age you're an immigrant. | |
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| ▲ | platevoltage 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Could it be that MAGA voters are humans with real motivations and rationales? No, it couldn't. Trump tells then to vote a certain way, they do it. Look at Massie's primary as an example. |
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| ▲ | p_j_w 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > The current administration was voted in with an anti-immigration mandate Given that they’re underwater for approval rating on immigration it seems both you and they have misread the room. Most people’s objections have to do with immigrants who are violent criminals that are going around neighborhoods hunting for cats and dogs to eat. This is what their campaign was highlighting as a problem. They have not been cracking down specifically on those immigrants. For this, they have no mandate. |
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| ▲ | kentm an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| We’ve also seen that you’re not safe on a green card either. |
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| ▲ | sunshowers an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Trump has -20% to -25% net approval depending on the poll, and his approval rating on immigration is -10 to -15%. Clearly people do not like any of this in practice even though they might have liked it in theory. |
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| ▲ | thatfrenchguy 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I mean, the issue is that a large number H1B folks have vital skills for the US economy and that even just 20% of those leaving would mean every single big tech company would be in immense trouble |
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| ▲ | ben_w an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > even just 20% of those leaving would mean every single big tech company would be in immense trouble I'm not so sure. I think it would play out like this: 1. 20% H1Bs leave; 2. Those migrants are now in countries of origin, looking for work; 3. Many of the big US tech companies will already have offices in those countries, and those that don't can make new offices if they wanted to; 4. many, but likely not all, of those employees are now working for the same employer (or close enough), just in a different jurisdiction; 5. as none of these employees are physically in US hotspots, all the other stuff that happened in those hotspots because of big tech pay, suffers, conversely all the stuff which was suppressed because of those wages may (possibly) return; 6. two of the things that go down are the number of people transitioning from temporary visa to citizenship, and the available talent pool for the local-to-those-places startup and VC scenes. | |
| ▲ | platevoltage 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Certainly a lot of them do. It's also true that having a large portion of them leave will just mean that the company will have to replace them with someone who will require a higher wage, and won't have any issue leaving if the workplace culture degrades. |
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