Our lead does not come from immigrants. The American people, who are a distinct people, have shown time and again a potential for great things.

Even if it were true, there are wider effects of immigration that you must consider. The purpose of life isn't to increase GDP. It reflects poorly on you that you must cast your opponents as being stupid and spiteful. Could it be that MAGA voters are humans with real motivations and rationales?

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james_marks an hour ago | parent | next [-]

By “American People” you mean native Americans?

Because Literally everyone else in the US is an immigrant. Or are you referring to the Spanish that settled the west? The French in the far south? The Italians and Jews that populated New York? The British and Africans?

I’m painting in broad strokes, but to say “the American People” as if it’s somehow distinct from immigrants is just ladder pulling.

	▲	gorwell 36 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		You're confused about the meaning of the word. Immigrant (noun) A person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence.
	▲	bluefirebrand 43 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> Because Literally everyone else in the US is an immigrant I'm not American, but this conversation happens a lot in Canada where I'm from too I was born in Canada, in a Canadian hospital. I've never had any other home than this country. I'm descended from immigrants, but I am not an immigrant. I'm not considered indigenous either, that's a whole other type of person. What a strange thing, to be from a place but have many people say "it's not your place, it's stolen" as if I had a say in that. If I went anywhere else, I would be an immigrant there. Very odd.

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krapp an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Unless your people walked across the Bering Strait during the last ice age you're an immigrant.

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xp84 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

Which ones?

Certainly if 8,000[1] years ago a tribe walked across and settled, and then 7,000 years ago another group walked across and set up camp next to the descendants of that first tribe who had been there a thousand years, the second group were actually immigrants, right?

And how do we sort it out now, millennia after those various groups arrived, after all that DNA has been mixed together?

My point is just that it's silly to label any race or group "immigrant" or "native" based on what movements we guess from their skin color that their ancestors may have made millennia or centuries ago, or even what their parents did. Yes, I'm very in favor of birthright citizenship, even if people have "anchor babies" in bad faith the baby didn't have any say in it. And no one else of any color had any say in being born in America either.

[1] please substitute correct numbers -- they don't matter

	▲	krapp 12 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I don't know. I do know that, as far as America is concerned, "native" doesn't include the colonizers who showed up 200 years ago when the land was already settled.

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platevoltage an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Could it be that MAGA voters are humans with real motivations and rationales?

No, it couldn't. Trump tells them to vote a certain way, they do it. Look at Massie's primary as an example.