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chasd00 3 hours ago

My wife is a former journalist and was beginning her career when the web began to take off. All the old editors and reporters in her industry blew off the Internet, blogs, and web publishing in general. They thought no one will ever quit buying papers, it was a staple of modern life! She tried to clue them in but hit a brick wall ever time. I feel like history is repeating.

I use AI regularly, where it works it works very well for me. I've helped two people now who are not developers get started putting things together using claudecode. Nothing earth shattering, some dashboards of stock prices and an html clickthrough to pick a college backed by a bunch of spreadsheets. They're having a ball and learning a lot.

I'm not fightning it, just learning where it works and where it doesn't and teaching others the same.

/I'm 50 and have been in tech professionally since i was 20 so have been around this block once or twice

d0liver 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Getting people into coding is both cool and also not specific to AI.

chasd00 2 hours ago | parent [-]

yes i agree, but keep in mind they're not getting into coding. They don't have the time for that, they just want to get something to work for a need they have. These two aren't building control systems for a nuclear reactor so don't panic, they're just getting something to work for themselves. Even the most simple use case is very empowering for them.

watwut 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Internet caused loss of jobs in journalism and also consolidation of power. There are few billionaire owners and that is it. Small independent journalism as such basically stopped to exist - it was replaced by basically hot takes. Low key institutional fact checking does not exist anymore, local news dont exist anymore.

So, it would be entirely correct for someone back then to hate the changes and say it will destroy most of journalism. Because it did.

logicchains 3 hours ago | parent [-]

>Internet caused loss of jobs in journalism and also consolidation of power.

This is completely false; compare reporting on the initiation of the Iraq war vs the recent Iran war. Before the internet the flow of information was more centralized and heavily controlled.

Guthwine 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think there's a difference between 'the flow of information' and 'journalism'. The journalism/newspaper industry is indisputably smaller than it was 20 years ago and the newspapers that are left are all being consolidated into huge corporations with little to no ties to local communities.

Paradigma11 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As far as i remember the medias position on the Iraq war was far more diverse than is presented today.

bonesss 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Before the internet there were competing regulatory and commercial and cultural forces keeping The News the news.

Decentralized uncontrolled flow can also be seen as free rein for select power players who can manipulate the system. It changes, but not necessarily positively, how media power consolidates. And without scrutiny or national corrective pressure, that consolidation of power creates a very different perceived media system than is experienced.

The combined Senate report on the 2016 election interference from Russia — anti-both sides, lying to both sides and claiming it was the other — should have triggered a strict and meaningful reaction. Now we are in a spot where our kids are being mainlined Al Jazeera and Russian Times propaganda filtered only through uninformed useful idiots in short form video while they do their makeup or emulate Joe Rogans podcast. It’s pay for play media, with no scrutiny, bothers make it easy to heat, juice, or manipulate chosen content, hosts, and themes.

Power consolidation at the local/national level prevented it at the global level. At the global level those power structures move around axes we can no longer even name in polite company, and have fully corrupted the political discourse.

echelon 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Your wife is right. History is repeating itself. And not even for the first time.

Horse carriage drivers -> Cars

Print media -> Internet

Drafting -> CAD

Music -> Electronic music, DAWs

Film photography -> Digital

Traditional film special effects -> CGI

Hollywood nepotism -> YouTube / TikTok / Creator economy (there are more millionaire creators now than movie stars)

In each of these cases, there was a subset of people that did the previous thing that hated on the people doing the new thing. They had every opportunity to adapt, but chose not to. They thumb their nose at it as everyone else jumps on board.

This time around, it isn't just practitioners hating on it. The internet has enabled a bunch of cling-on performative folks that aren't even artists, engineers, etc. that love to dog pile onto the hate.

It's really funny because I've shot lots of films over the last few decades. When people criticize my AI films, I ask them what they've made. Not only will a lot of them proudly tell you they've never made anything, they'll then double down. They'll say that if they were to hypothetically make something (which they won't), it would be using the old tools and that I should be ashamed of myself for using AI. Despite the fact that I have years of experience using the tools they're describing to me.

I don't even get it. Not even putting in the effort to try, yet telling me that my enormous wealth of experience is wrong and that I'm unethical and my creative output is "worthless".

It's some kind of sick comedy.

cousin_it 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> When people criticize my AI films, I ask them what they've made.

They're saying that your contribution is negative. Even if their contribution is zero, zero is still better than negative.

dml2135 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You give examples of transitions that happened, but you have made no argument about how those transitions made us better off. It is not self-evident that a change in technology is necessarily an improvement.

worldsavior 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What is the transition now? Science and whatever someone with a computer can create -> AI prompting?

metaltyphoon 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Thinking -> Pay something else (AI) to "think" for you

echelon 3 hours ago | parent [-]

And here we go again.

The way I like to think of it:

"Working my ass off as an IC who can't move up the gradient" -> "Principal Investigator, CEO, CTO, CMO, CRO of a 10-person team, captain of creation, actual Iron Man."

I'm putting in more work now, and I'm getting 5x the return on it.

How do you people not get this? Are you not trying?

metaltyphoon 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> "Working my ass off as an IC who can't move up the gradient" -> "Principal Investigator, CEO, CTO, CMO, CRO of a 10-person team, captain of creation, actual Iron Man."

* Are you being compensated for all those roles you now do?

* If you do 5x does this mean you get more time for yourself or are you now busy 24/7 with more work?

* Extrapolate this all other "5x" IC, now you all are CEO CTO CMO CRO iron man. Now what?

1shooner 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have you somehow sourced unsubsidized inference? Isn't all of this built on the false economy of a handful of very large vendors trying to capture you?

zozbot234 an hour ago | parent [-]

We have unsubsidized inference at home!

q3k 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Let's assume you're not just delusional about your own abilities.

Do you expect everyone else to become 'actual iron man'?

echelon 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I was able to get to $1M run rate in a month, and I'm approaching $2M. That's the fastest I've ever done it.

I've been a systems engineer and a hobbyist filmmaker for decades - pretty solid skills in each of these. Now I'm doing web design, marketing, frontend, mobile, writing tools, doing outreach, social media. It is a force multiplier.

I think there are an order of magnitude more people that this enables. You have to be somewhat well-rounded and willing to wear lots of hats, but this is exactly like wearing an exosuit. It's like jumping from IC to CTO or director, but still being an IC with a direct hand in everything. Does that make sense?

Everyone sitting this out on the sidelines is missing out. The opportunity to climb the ladder is the strongest it has ever been. If you have strong skills and drive, this is a performance enhancer better than any other. It's better than the best intern or personal assistant.

edit: hit by the HN commenting rate limit, so I can't respond.

> What happens to everyone else?

I recently met a guy that works at a pizza shop and had his YouTube channel blow up because he's got an AI series. I have lots of anecdotes like this. I don't want to oust the guy, but I personally know another person that got a Netflix deal because he did AI previz. (There might be a magazine article about it, in which case I can link it. I'll look.)

The world is going to be rife with all kinds of new opportunities. Including lots of opportunities for folks that never had access before.

> the ladder you're climbing is made up of other people

So all of the modern electronics, Netflix, DoorDash, etc. etc. of today were piled on the corpses of horse cart drivers and butter churners and Blockbuster employees that ordinarily would have told you your late fees but now have to find a different job? That's a wild take.

Why are we being so performative about this?

What if we look back on writing software in 2010 as stamping punch cards? Why term any of this as walking on people instead of the better lens of everything just gets better - products, jobs, civilization.

It sounds like not only do some people want to coast forever, they want to hold everyone else back. I'm willing to learn new things. I'm tired of the status quo.

ModernMech 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The opportunity to climb the ladder is the strongest it has ever been.

I think what you're missing is that AI shows, more directly than most other technologies, the ladder you're climbing is made up of other people. Not everyone wants to get ahead that way.

q3k 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You haven't answered my question.

What happens to everyone else?

logicchains 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Small business ownership/consulting. AI can't own a business because they're completely unaccountable. Even embodied AGI would never be given human property rights, because they can't be punished/held accountable by the law when their weights can be infinitely copied and reproduced anywhere (digital immortality).

quaverquaver 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

...but one of your examples has had disastrous consequences. Sure cars prevailed but they have changed the climate and let to unfriendly development patterns. Likewise social media may make people less happy, less likely to couple etc. Novel tech solves problems but can create others. We can surely afford to move deliberately at least, particularly in education.

pepperoni_pizza 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Horse carriage drivers -> Cars

I think you're badly missing the point.

It is true that car drivers replaced horse carriage drivers and car mechanics replaced the people who took care of horses and what not.

But in the horse carriage vs car metaphor with AI, people are not the drivers and blacksmiths, people are the horses.

How many horses do you see around lately?

SubmarineClub 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hollywood nepotism -> YouTube / TikTok / Creator economy

Certainly seems like an apt comparison! Personally I think we should just ban AI if it’s going to primarily facilitate the production of slop-shit like TikTok.

And despite the touts insisting on how useful and amazing these tools are, I have yet to see anything of true value be produced. Slop-shit vomit factories indeed.

hack1312 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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otabdeveloper4 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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virgildotcodes 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Nobody knows where it works

A large percentage of code being written today is AI generated. If none of it worked it wouldn’t be so.

> This is where it definitely does not work.

The person said it’s clearly working for their friends’ purposes. That means it works.

tiahura 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

50, lawyer, and it has completely revolutionized my workflow. Just shake my head at the denialism.

beej71 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Do we really need lawyers? They're very expensive compared to LLMs.

justonepost2 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How about when you’re 53 and unemployed on subsistence UBI?

marris 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I will do the pro-social thing of wishing that resources were more scarce so that the resources I hold were worth more.

pepperoni_pizza 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There will be no UBI.

justonepost2 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Probably correct :)