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echelon 3 hours ago

Your wife is right. History is repeating itself. And not even for the first time.

Horse carriage drivers -> Cars

Print media -> Internet

Drafting -> CAD

Music -> Electronic music, DAWs

Film photography -> Digital

Traditional film special effects -> CGI

Hollywood nepotism -> YouTube / TikTok / Creator economy (there are more millionaire creators now than movie stars)

In each of these cases, there was a subset of people that did the previous thing that hated on the people doing the new thing. They had every opportunity to adapt, but chose not to. They thumb their nose at it as everyone else jumps on board.

This time around, it isn't just practitioners hating on it. The internet has enabled a bunch of cling-on performative folks that aren't even artists, engineers, etc. that love to dog pile onto the hate.

It's really funny because I've shot lots of films over the last few decades. When people criticize my AI films, I ask them what they've made. Not only will a lot of them proudly tell you they've never made anything, they'll then double down. They'll say that if they were to hypothetically make something (which they won't), it would be using the old tools and that I should be ashamed of myself for using AI. Despite the fact that I have years of experience using the tools they're describing to me.

I don't even get it. Not even putting in the effort to try, yet telling me that my enormous wealth of experience is wrong and that I'm unethical and my creative output is "worthless".

It's some kind of sick comedy.

cousin_it 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> When people criticize my AI films, I ask them what they've made.

They're saying that your contribution is negative. Even if their contribution is zero, zero is still better than negative.

dml2135 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You give examples of transitions that happened, but you have made no argument about how those transitions made us better off. It is not self-evident that a change in technology is necessarily an improvement.

worldsavior 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What is the transition now? Science and whatever someone with a computer can create -> AI prompting?

metaltyphoon 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Thinking -> Pay something else (AI) to "think" for you

echelon 3 hours ago | parent [-]

And here we go again.

The way I like to think of it:

"Working my ass off as an IC who can't move up the gradient" -> "Principal Investigator, CEO, CTO, CMO, CRO of a 10-person team, captain of creation, actual Iron Man."

I'm putting in more work now, and I'm getting 5x the return on it.

How do you people not get this? Are you not trying?

metaltyphoon 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> "Working my ass off as an IC who can't move up the gradient" -> "Principal Investigator, CEO, CTO, CMO, CRO of a 10-person team, captain of creation, actual Iron Man."

* Are you being compensated for all those roles you now do?

* If you do 5x does this mean you get more time for yourself or are you now busy 24/7 with more work?

* Extrapolate this all other "5x" IC, now you all are CEO CTO CMO CRO iron man. Now what?

1shooner 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have you somehow sourced unsubsidized inference? Isn't all of this built on the false economy of a handful of very large vendors trying to capture you?

zozbot234 an hour ago | parent [-]

We have unsubsidized inference at home!

q3k 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Let's assume you're not just delusional about your own abilities.

Do you expect everyone else to become 'actual iron man'?

echelon 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I was able to get to $1M run rate in a month, and I'm approaching $2M. That's the fastest I've ever done it.

I've been a systems engineer and a hobbyist filmmaker for decades - pretty solid skills in each of these. Now I'm doing web design, marketing, frontend, mobile, writing tools, doing outreach, social media. It is a force multiplier.

I think there are an order of magnitude more people that this enables. You have to be somewhat well-rounded and willing to wear lots of hats, but this is exactly like wearing an exosuit. It's like jumping from IC to CTO or director, but still being an IC with a direct hand in everything. Does that make sense?

Everyone sitting this out on the sidelines is missing out. The opportunity to climb the ladder is the strongest it has ever been. If you have strong skills and drive, this is a performance enhancer better than any other. It's better than the best intern or personal assistant.

edit: hit by the HN commenting rate limit, so I can't respond.

> What happens to everyone else?

I recently met a guy that works at a pizza shop and had his YouTube channel blow up because he's got an AI series. I have lots of anecdotes like this. I don't want to oust the guy, but I personally know another person that got a Netflix deal because he did AI previz. (There might be a magazine article about it, in which case I can link it. I'll look.)

The world is going to be rife with all kinds of new opportunities. Including lots of opportunities for folks that never had access before.

> the ladder you're climbing is made up of other people

So all of the modern electronics, Netflix, DoorDash, etc. etc. of today were piled on the corpses of horse cart drivers and butter churners and Blockbuster employees that ordinarily would have told you your late fees but now have to find a different job? That's a wild take.

Why are we being so performative about this?

What if we look back on writing software in 2010 as stamping punch cards? Why term any of this as walking on people instead of the better lens of everything just gets better - products, jobs, civilization.

It sounds like not only do some people want to coast forever, they want to hold everyone else back. I'm willing to learn new things. I'm tired of the status quo.

ModernMech 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The opportunity to climb the ladder is the strongest it has ever been.

I think what you're missing is that AI shows, more directly than most other technologies, the ladder you're climbing is made up of other people. Not everyone wants to get ahead that way.

q3k 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You haven't answered my question.

What happens to everyone else?

logicchains 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Small business ownership/consulting. AI can't own a business because they're completely unaccountable. Even embodied AGI would never be given human property rights, because they can't be punished/held accountable by the law when their weights can be infinitely copied and reproduced anywhere (digital immortality).

quaverquaver 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

...but one of your examples has had disastrous consequences. Sure cars prevailed but they have changed the climate and let to unfriendly development patterns. Likewise social media may make people less happy, less likely to couple etc. Novel tech solves problems but can create others. We can surely afford to move deliberately at least, particularly in education.

pepperoni_pizza 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Horse carriage drivers -> Cars

I think you're badly missing the point.

It is true that car drivers replaced horse carriage drivers and car mechanics replaced the people who took care of horses and what not.

But in the horse carriage vs car metaphor with AI, people are not the drivers and blacksmiths, people are the horses.

How many horses do you see around lately?

SubmarineClub 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hollywood nepotism -> YouTube / TikTok / Creator economy

Certainly seems like an apt comparison! Personally I think we should just ban AI if it’s going to primarily facilitate the production of slop-shit like TikTok.

And despite the touts insisting on how useful and amazing these tools are, I have yet to see anything of true value be produced. Slop-shit vomit factories indeed.

hack1312 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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