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zhovner 2 hours ago

I'm the author of this text. It was originaly writen in a mix of russian and english WITHOUT the AI and then polished and translated by editors. Here is the original draft https://blog.flipper.net/p/b5b7e9f8-a99f-4393-bf72-23fe5a42e...

WhitneyLand an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It’s a bizarre feeling isn’t it? Sorry you’re having to defend the act of thinking.

The problem is you can’t defend it right? Someone could say your evidence came from a prompt: “Take this article and reverse engineer a hypothetical unpolished first draft written in a mix of Russian and English”

I’m not sure what the right answer is here. Fwiw I have no doubt you wrote it unassisted.

skinfaxi an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Chain of trust from RFID chips embedded in their fingertips that authenticated to their keyboard, proving that at least their fingers grazed the keys that formed the message.

But what if they're reading off of a pre-written message?

freedomben an hour ago | parent [-]

And are those RFID chips firmware signed by a big tech overlord that we trust? And with kernel level anti-heat? Cause if not...

cryptonym an hour ago | parent [-]

Are those RFID chips preventing me (or a physical robot) from typing generated text?

superxpro12 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Proving a negative is nearly impossible. "Prove you didnt use ai"... its a common argument tactic used all the time.

qgin an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People hunting for AI text is reaching transvestigation levels

cybercatgurrl an hour ago | parent | next [-]

oh people absolutely get off on this. it’s clear that some people feel a sense of moral superiority from it

nekzn an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

On one hand, you’re right. On the other, it’s normal that humans want to gauge the authenticity of the things they interact with. Some sort of uncanny valley thing.

z2 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

What happens when everyone learns they need to use something like https://tropes.fyi/tropes-md and emerge on the other side of the valley?

armchairhacker 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

That’s fine. Most of the tropes, and the sameness, are themselves the problem.

https://xkcd.com/810/

iinnPP an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Normal is humans living in caves.

nekzn an hour ago | parent [-]

And still, those humans would go outside and check when they heard an odd noise, so they could ascertain if it was a threat or not. This is more of this.

fwip 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Translation tools" is AI, so it's correct that our AI-sensors went off.

fsniper an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I have trouble understanding this. I don't see anyone complaining that we use microwaves and ovens instead of going for lit wood to cook or using search engines instead of crawling through libraries, or using Google Maps instead of using paper maps. These are tools. If output of an LLM conveys the ideas to be told, then what is the problem?

Not everyone needs to be magicians with language.

cwnyth 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You absolutely do see people complaining that restaurant food is microwaved over properly grilled, fried, etc. I think that's the better analogy.

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mannanj an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

One related problem I see, is the avoidance of accountability and responsibility thats prevalent. When people use AI words and don't check they actually match their intent or voice, and then if something was incorrect or didn't stand the test of scrutiny they avoid accountability and can say "The AI wrote it and I didn't check it closely". It seems similar to what we see in leadership chains in some organizations, we are struggling to hold those people accountable so we lash out on whomever and whatever we can so IMO thats part of the emotional undertone of the whiplash we see on AI content here.

Edit: Since this is possible, I think it's important to start to ask "did you use AI and disclose it?" as it sets the tone better.

cobolcomesback an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sorry but I call bullshit. There’s em-dashes all over, even in your original text. Were the editors or translators an AI? Did the editors use AI to “polish” it?

The emojis used in the bullet points (which are missing from your original text, but were added in at some point) are also dead giveaways that AI was involved here.

Sharparam 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

The em dash "gotcha" is so fucking tiring at this point.

It is perfectly possible, and even easy, to write e[nm] dashes manually. With compose key sequences it's barely more effort than typing a normal dash/hyphen, even. (Just compose key + `-.` for en dash, and `--` for em dash.)

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nekusar an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thanks for posting this.

Ive been using translation tools a bunch these last few years. Nobody seemed to have any hate for better accessibility.. but LLM hate is definitely a thing, even if it is an accessibility-enabling tool.

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handwarmers an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Don't be discouraged by the comment section here. HN is a cesspool at this point.

freedomben an hour ago | parent [-]

"cesspool" is pretty overboard. Have you read virtually any other site lately?

handwarmers an hour ago | parent [-]

It's obviously subjective, but I have a feeling this community has descended into hardcore cynicism and cheap meta analysis of most article I care about. Maybe it's the times we live in.

I barely spend much time in the comment sections nowadays - once I stopped visiting this website I started following a bunch of makers on youtube and printables, and got looped into some discord groups and meetups. It was a breath of fresh air - would definitely recommend.

majorchord an hour ago | parent [-]

Phoronix is so much worse... but in general I think it's mostly a problem with older tech "experts". They have developed a jaded, egotistical world view where only their own opinions can matter, and everyone else is wrong.

handwarmers 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I never spent much time there but I have heard people say that. A part of me worries that I might have become the old "get off my lawn" type of person in some ways.

I just don't relate to a lot of the upvoted content here, so instead of singing my soul trying to make sense of things, I moved on. Perhaps it's not my place to be any more. These new places I have joined are much easier for me to talk in, and there are no upvotes/downvotes so people tend to be pretty chill and genuine, even if it causes friction sometimes.

tekla 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> They have developed a jaded, egotistical world view where only their own opinions can matter, and everyone else is wrong.

That describes HN