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ElProlactin 5 hours ago

> Your life’s goal should be to become the most improbable person you can be.

Your life's goal should not be dictated by Substack philosophers.

> Here is what you gain with your most improbable life:

> The authentic you. Your particular mix of talents, native abilities, personal inclinations, genetic limits, life experiences, and ambitious desires points to a mixture that is distinctly unique – if it is allowed to blossom. The further you move in that direction, the more you-like you become.

The West's obsession with "self-help" is built on convincing individuals that they are special but not living up to their special-ness. It then demands they do things to realize their special-ness.

The premise is that realization, fulfillment and happiness are only accessible if you do things you're not naturally inclined to do. Which begs the question: are you being the "authentic you" if you are following a path laid out by someone else?

> Finally, the less predictable you are, the less likely you are to be replaced by AIs. Machines are efficient, and they are powered by the predictable. Current LLMs are trained to generate the most predictable solution. So far they are not very good at duplicating what a creative, one-of-a-kind improbable human can produce. To distance yourself from the machines, aim to be as improbable as you can be.

Tell this to all the creatives who are being disrupted by AI that has, in many cases, been trained on their content.

CuriouslyC 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The next level of realization is that every path you've been following your entire life has been laid out by someone else, or chosen due to the value system imparted by someone else, so there's not really an authentic "you" in the way that people like to believe.

fugaziboutit 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I realised this in 2006 when I committed the faux pas of wearing a cerulean blue sweater to a screening of The Devil Wears Prada.

sweetjuly 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Reading this thread, I'm starting to think that I did not fall out of a coconut tree and that I exist in the context of all in which I live and what came before me.

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fellowniusmonk an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was born with heart defects and surgeries and the constant threat of death and also intelligent parents who grew up in very weird multi cultural backgrounds.

Not all of us were believed we had to be a specific thing handed to us, some of us were born natural absurdists and figured it out as we went along.

altmanaltman 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If not by someone else, certainly by the circumstances of your birth which you did not chose. So, life is very much like a lottery and what we think of us as individuals is mostly shaped by what's around us.

It is a humbling view. But there can still be an authentic "you" despite your circumstances. You can be forced to fight in a war you don't want to, but you can always run away and take a chance. Living authentically doesn't mean you are not bound by laws of the universe and of soceity but rather what you do despite that. Ultimately "you" will be inspired by everyone around you or value systems you engaged with but that doesn't strip away your individuality inherently.

Kind of touches on what Camus and Sarte mean to live your life in good faith.

adrianN 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Society strongly rewards predictability. If I try to minimize predictability of my actions I will very quickly be hit by a car and die. Similar outcomes should be expected in most other areas of life. Stop predictably paying your bills and delivering value…

Individualism in the west pretends to value uniqueness, but in practice it values belonging to sollte specific subgroup of consumers and avoiding solidarity with your fellow workers.

code_biologist 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"If there is anything the nonconformist hates worse than a conformist, it’s another nonconformist who doesn’t conform to the prevailing standard of nonconformity." - Bill Vaughan

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lacewing 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is, quite obviously, just one person's perspective on life. But it's a call to action, so let me ask you this: what do you propose?

From your response, I see two takeaways: don't try to be creative because this only helps AI, and don't be spontaneous because the society wouldn't want you to. Is that it, or is there more? To be clear, I'm not trying to be overly snarky, but we don't get the option of doing nothing. If you don't like what this person is selling, what's your trick?

abroadwin 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It sounds to me like their "trick" is simply not acting from the psychological position that you need to do something you're not doing in order to realize your authentic or best self. Wu wei?

ElProlactin 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Exactly. 無為

1659447091 2 hours ago | parent [-]

But is that not also "following a path laid out by someone else?"

How do we know when we "are [...] being the "authentic you"" when so much of our early lives have been conditioned by our environment if we never challenge that by looking for other ways; be that through exploring western "self-help", Chinese philosophy, or both (and others).

Maybe it's through that action, the West's obsession with "self-help" that demands they do things to realize their special-ness, that allows them to actually discover the way, or non action, or their way. To say that another persons self-cultivation, or development, journey is the wrong way and that what is best for them is to do nothing is a mirror of the thing you disparage.

zem 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

just... be creative when you have something creative to express and the expression brings you joy, happiness, satisfaction, or any other reward of your choice. be spontaneous for similar reasons. don't do it because someone has attached an artificial "you are now leading your best life" reward to the mere fact of creativity or spontaneity - that's just reactive.

truly authentic creativity and spontaneity would leave room for conformity if that's what made you happiest in the moment, because why should the fact that everyone else also does something prevent it from being a worthwhile thing for you personally to do?

phs318u 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why does parent need to propose anything? Perhaps, in the absence of any external authoritative instructions to the contrary, our purpose is for each of us to discover our own purpose and realise it. Why should parent (or anyone else) have a “trick”, and if they did why would it be applicable to anyone else?

znnajdla 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Your life's goal should not be dictated by Substack philosophers.

So you’re suggesting that some philosophers/ideas are “special” while random writers on Substack are not. Immediately contradicts the spirit of your next criticism:

> The West's obsession with "self-help" is built on convincing individuals that they are special but not living up to their special-ness … Which begs the question: are you being the "authentic you" if you are following a path laid out by someone else?

So YOU are special after all? “Someone else on Substack” is wrong but I am right? Why should I listen to you?

altmanaltman 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I get where you are coming from but it isn't really about telling people they are special and they need to be more to be happy. But rather, you should seek change and enthropy in life to truly experience it. For someone that's stuck and looking for help (for their selves) will likely see it as a way to at least take some action to orient themselves towards the life they want.

The complete opposite view (i guess non western since you said it was western) would be to do nothing everyday and just be content and happy without ever doing anything to change your life. That is obviously not a great way to experience life as well.

Laslty, them saying you being unique will keep you save from AI replacement is pretty stupid genuinely and cannot be defended. It's a bit too hopefuly to think people deciding on layoffs and automation with AI give a single fuck about how special or interesting you care. You think Larry Ellison cares?

Nevermark 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Your life's goal should not be dictated by Substack philosophers.

Dictate? The only expectation is readers consider ideas.

You made some good points about "self-help". I don't fully agree, but you gave me something to think about.

The essay struck me very directly. I have made unusual career choices, and beyond or because of that, life has changed in unimagined ways every five years of my adult life. Improbable paths to improbable destinations. I do feel like it has left me in a unique position, amidst all the upheavals.

ElProlactin 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Dictate? What an inhospitable straw man/false dichotomy.

The first sentence of the article is "Your life’s goal should be to become the most improbable person you can be."

It is literally telling you what you should do.

phs318u 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

“Improbable paths to improbable destinations.”

As someone that’s recently turned 60, your last paragraph resonates intensely. I am so, so far from the life I predicted for myself at age 25.

slopinthebag 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't understand the urge to diminish individualism when it's the basis of our modern ethics and human rights. It's not that people are "special", it's that people are unique and not just a statistic, or a member of a group, or a means to an end. It's not about "living up to their special-ness" but about realising their potential as a human being.

The article is basically just an argument for one method towards achieving self-actualizition, the process of fulfilling one's unique potential and becoming the most authentic version of oneself. It reminds me a bit of Walt Whitmans's "Song of Myself" in which he writes

> The past and present wilt--I have fill'd them, emptied them. And proceed to fill my next fold of the future.

> Listener up there! what have you to confide to me? Look in my face while I snuff the sidle of evening, (Talk honestly, no one else hears you, and I stay only a minute longer.)

> Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.)

Be improbable! Contradict yourself! Be complicated! Be shocking! Live your life, ya know.

ElProlactin 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> I don't understand the urge to diminish individualism when it's the basis of our modern ethics and human rights.

Where did I diminish individualism? The point I made was that, perhaps, you don't need someone else telling you that you're not being yourself and not living up to your potential, and then offering you a path you weren't naturally inclined to take to get to where they tell you you're supposed to be.

> The article is basically just an argument for one method towards achieving self-actualizition, the process of fulfilling one's unique potential and becoming the most authentic version of oneself.

And this is a very Western concept that doesn't resonate with me. I don't believe that the average person needs to be obsessed with fulfilling their potential and becoming "authentic", especially to the point where they rely on the advice of random people who are eager to tell them they're not fulfilling their potential and being "authentic".

To quote George Carlin:

> If you're looking for self-help, why would you read a book written by somebody else? That's not self-help, that's help. There's no such thing as self-help. If you did it yourself you didn't need help.

znnajdla 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> you don't need someone else telling you that you're not being yourself

When I read others works, I am still doing my own take on it. It is my interpretation and application of the ideas.

slopinthebag 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> you don't need someone else telling you that you're not being yourself and not living up to your potential, and then offering you a path you weren't naturally inclined to take to get to where they tell you you're supposed to be

Who is doing that?

The average person probably doesn't need to be "obsessed" with self-actualisation or authenticity, but that doesn't mean it's not a worthwhile goal. People don't need to be "obsessed" with eating healthy, but they should at least consider it.

Carlin's quote is cute but just a debate about semantics. Who cares what they're called. People learn from books, they learn from other peoples experiences, and they can use that learning to help themselves. How is that not valid?

ElProlactin 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> Who is doing that?

The author of the post:

> Your life’s goal should be to become the most improbable person you can be. Your path, your character, your life, should be the most unlikely, the most unexpected, the least predictable version you can make. Improbable lives have fewer competitors, more unique rewards, and are harder to replace with AIs, since AIs run on the predictable.

> You can align yourself with this grand arc moving from the expected to the unexpected and aim to become the most improbable person you can be.

And so on.

From the very first sentence, the author is telling you what you should be and do. There is nothing in the post that asks the question of what the reader actually wants to be and do.

What if I want to be a part of a community, meet someone I can build a life with, raise a family, and have a job that allows me to support my family and engage in simple activities I enjoy?

How does someone telling me I should become "the most improbable person" I can be help me? How does minimizing my "competitors", obtaining "unique rewards" and trying to make myself AI-proof align to building community, finding a compatible partner, raising happy children, and finding work that supports the life I want to live?

> People don't need to be "obsessed" with eating healthy, but they should at least consider it.

Many people do eat healthy without buying a bookshelf full of books about how to eat a healthy diet.

> People learn from books, they learn from other peoples experiences, and they can use that learning to help themselves.

There is a difference between learning from other people's experiences where their experiences resonate with you and seeking out advice from people who are trying to sell you on a life they say you should have.

aaron695 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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Geste 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So, you liked nothing about the post ? What would you salvage from it ?

zephen 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well, let's start with the second sentence:

> Your path, your character, your life, should be the most unlikely, the most unexpected, the least predictable version you can make.

Now, I ask you, is that really what I want from my kid's school bus driver?

OutOfHere 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Huh. The post in effect is about a choice of one's career, about what one offers to the world. Of course the execution of the chosen career must remain flawless.

One must develop one's own unique offering. Don't let the world trap you in its box.

I came across a bus driver today that told me he owned a juice bar on the side, and invited me to visit. I thought this was most unexpected. This didn't make him a bad driver. His driving was fine. The point is that even a bus driver can live up to the author's ideal.

zephen 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The post in effect is about a choice of one's career...

You do a huge disservice to the author. He mentions much more than that, just in that one sentence.

Again:

> Your path, your character, your life, should be the most unlikely, the most unexpected, the least predictable version you can make.

Why, if you're a nice guy, you should become a serial killer!

> I came across a bus driver today that told me he owned a juice bar on the side, and invited me to visit. I thought this was most unexpected.

You must live a sheltered life. Bus drivers were doing serious side hustles before there was even a name for those.

OutOfHere an hour ago | parent [-]

You need to immediately familiarize yourself with the rules for comments on this site at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html especially:

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

And as for your comment:

> you should become a serial killer!

Please not preach violence on this site, whether intended or not.

zephen 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

This is rich. "Assume good faith" and "Please not preach violence" in the same comment, when I was doing nothing of the sort.

slopinthebag 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sadly people are fulfilling the very probable nerd stereotype of aggressively misunderstanding philosophy and then trashing on it. I'm not sure how someone could even come to the conclusion that living an improbable life = swerving into oncoming traffic, but here we are.

defrost 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Luke Rhinehart"'s The Dice Man isn't the stagecoach of life I should be riding?

Damn.

zephen an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Sadly people are fulfilling the very probable nerd stereotype of aggressively misunderstanding philosophy and then trashing on it.

Sadly people are fulfilling the very probable dilettante stereotype of acting like pretentious crap actually has meaning.

> I'm not sure how someone could even come to the conclusion that living an improbable life = swerving into oncoming traffic, but here we are.

Did you actually read the fucking sentence and think about it?

It doesn't have to be swerving into traffic. It could just be not showing up on time to get the kids to school. It could be sexual assault of a minor.

In general, a good life involves showing up for people and supporting them. If you do that well, people come to expect it, and then...

Well, guess what? In a huge, important (to others!) part of your life, you become rather predictable.

OutOfHere an hour ago | parent [-]

Are you majorly autistic? Or have you just generically struggled to interpret the basic context in which authors say what they say?

paxcoder 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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adampunk 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Are we required to like something and report on that?