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▲ seviu 5 hours ago

Not crazy, I always resort to yandex when I know google is not showing me the results I am looking for

DDG doesn’t click for me sadly, and I cannot point my finger to where or why

▲kevin_thibedeau 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

DDG is repackaged Bing. Used to be Yandex too but sanctions put an end to that.

▲yegg 4 hours ago | parent [-]

We are significantly more than that at this point, including that we've been working on our own web index for the past two years (see https://insideduckduckgo.substack.com/p/duck-tales-why-duckd...). But on top of that we don't get local results, knowledge graph, answers, sports, anything AI related, and many more essential modules from Bing, all of which collectively makes up a large % of the results at this point, let alone the vastly different UXs.

▲throwway120385 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I stopped using DDG because whenever I search for information on a topic like "plumber's bread" all I get are the same 1500 sites serving the same top-10 lists of the same Amazon Affiliate links. Kagi neatly avoids all of that and serves me the dumb forum articles from 2006 that I'm looking for that describe what plumbers actually do when they want to stop up a wet pipe. This is a problem with nearly every ad-supported search engine. They all serve the same dumb top-10 lists and AI-authored blog articles about the same stuff ad-nauseum instead of inferring that I'm trying to research the answer to a question. The results all presuppose that I'm looking to buy something.

▲ikt 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

https://www.ecosia.org/search?q=plumber%E2%80%99s+bread&addo...

afaik Ecosia is a blend of Google and Bing now while they work on their own engine

How does this compare?

▲AussieWog93 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I never had this experience with Kagi, sadly. I know a lot of people here love it but I found it had the same problems as Google.

I wonder if it's a regional thing.

▲gtfiorentino 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I searched for “plumber’s bread” on DuckDuckGo and this was the 3rd result which seems to match what you’re looking for - https://www.finehomebuilding.com/forum/plumbers-bread-sandwi.... I do see the other kind of results you’re talking about too, though.

▲Cider9986 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I find DuckDuckGo's search results to be terrible. I use Brave search and I find it to be the best. I've also tried Startpage and I like it better than DDG, but less than Brave.

DDG often has scam sites for example when you search for FMHY, https://fmhy.net comes up on all other search engines, but fmhy [.] click comes up on DDG.

Same with "anna's archive" returning the fake site annas-archive [.]io.

▲gtfiorentino 3 hours ago | parent [-]

We’ll take a look at those two sites, thanks for reporting. We’re actively working to improve how we detect and remove scam sites, and getting specific reports is very helpful.

▲Cider9986 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Very cool, thanks.

Here is the list of all the official sites for FMHY (https://fmhy.net/other/backups)

I'm sure they would be happy with any combination of these 3.

1. fmhy.net

2. reddit.com/r/freemediaheckyeah

3. github.com/fmhy/FMHY

As for Anna's, it changes often, but it would be good to only allow the ones listed on the Wikipedia for sites that are posing to actually be Anna's Archive, rather than accessory sites like Github, link directories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna%27s_Archive#:~:text=URL,a...

annas-archive.pk

annas-archive.gd

annas-archive.gl

▲Cider9986 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As for my allegation of terrible results. I think it mainly comes down to low quality sites being prioritized. I didn't want to make up search queries, so I decided to just go through my history to find my searches on Brave and compare the results with DDG.

"scientology speedrun instagram"

Brave returns mostly news articles in the main results and only a specific Instagram reel. Brave has an area for videos which is particularly relevant, but DDG has a carousel thing for news. DDG returns an Instagram and Tiktok area for the topic and an X account. Then Wikipedia and Knowyourmeme.

I would say DDG actually wins here because it is very much more on topic with the social media sites being resulted (X, IG, TikTok), but the results feel less clickable to me because those social media sites are so unfriendly to adblocking, VPN using, not-signed-in users.

"fisa news"

Brave shows a really nice variety of specific news article updates as well as primary sources like a .gov. DDG does similarly, but it's really only news and it is really a smattering of different mainstream news websites. That's fine, but then there's also that carosel which is 100% filled with Yahoo and Foxnews, which I consider both to be low-quality.

Another big problem with DDG in this specific search is there are quite a few simple links to news website's tag on fisa, which isn't helpful to me.

I'm not the happiest about either results, but Brave wins because of the lack of slop from yahoo as well as the primary source results.

who is the highest level scientologist who left

Neither DDG nor Brave returns any immediate actual answers in websites, but by automatically returning the AI summary, I get a satisfying answer from Brave's AI.

"sovereignty"

I was surprised, but DDG totally wins this one. Brave doesn't have that built in dictionary result, DDG does. Brave also has a news carosel which is not relevant. Pretty comparable with the other results, but definitely a win for DDG.

Actually, what's the deal with putting the "search assist" at the bottom. That's pretty weird.

I think a lot of my bias against DDG comes from the UI. Brave seems friendlier, rounder, easier to read.

Hopefully this helps.

▲gtfiorentino an hour ago | parent [-]

Yes, super helpful, thanks. Hear you on the overall problem of lower-quality sites.

On the Assist question, it can appear at the bottom when we think it has a good answer but something else beats it. Curious what was weird about it? Just not expecting another answer?

▲stavros 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I use DDG as my daily driver and quite like it. Then again, I don't really see much difference between DDG and Kagi, so I may be some sort of pleb. I will say that, sometimes, DDG gets "stuck" on certain sorts of close-phrase matches, rather than showing me the thing I'm looking for, but I've learned to recognize that behavior and append !g to it.

▲yegg 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, I'd love to know; as I've said in some other comments, we've changed and improved a lot in the last couple years and so feel free to send me feedback.

▲ldng an hour ago | parent [-]

Have you ?

I've been a ddg user full time for 15+ years and I did see it improve quite lot over time. But quality dropped when Yandex was cut off.

Lately, I've noticed YET AGAIN being trapped in a bubble with results being to clever for their own good ... I did leave Google PRECISELY for the bubble effect ...

Not even mentioned the AI shenanigans with ridiculous results at times. DDG is not immune to enshitification. Way too many managers thinks they know better than the user ... they don't.

▲muppetman 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A bet the stupid name doesn’t help.

I know what you mean though, I use it but it’s never quite right. Hard to say exactly why.

▲pooploop64 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My sister thought it was malware when she was seeing ads for it. Something about the whole overall branding is just bad.

▲yegg 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Sorry you feel that way, pooploop64. We are doing a complete brand refresh this year though.

▲kryogen1c 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This has me absolutely howling.

I use Bing at work for no other reason than sheer laziness, really. You've inspired me to return to DDG.

Keep on keepin on, yegg.

▲jakeydus 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Dang, did I just see someone get rimjobsteve-d in the wild?

▲futune 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Having a stupid name is tables stakes in the search space.