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bfrankline 2 hours ago

Are you in the United States? Many libraries loan digital goods, e.g., books, music, movies, and even software.

presbyterian 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They do, but under a completely different system than the way that they do for print books. When a library buys a print book, they can keep it in circulation for as long as they want and it's physically durable, but for digital, they're paying either per circulation or for an amount of time. They never own anything, they pay for temporary licenses, just like you never own the digital media you purchase in most cases.

The point that the person you're replying to is making is that this totally breaks the way libraries have always worked, and that it takes a lot of power away from the buyers (whether that's you or your local library) and puts way more in the hand of the publishers.

blairbeckwith 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Is there really a meaningful distinction between how libraries treat digital book licenses and physical books when you actually hit reality? My knowledge of how libraries work is very shallow, but I've always understood that they treat physical books as essentially consumable and have fairly high standards for what a "lendable" copy of a book is.

A purely assumptive example, but if a library pays for a 2 year license to lend a digital book, and the average shelf-life of a physical book is ~2 years, what's the difference?

ndiddy an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I think the practical difference is that the rates that publishers charge libraries for ebooks are significantly higher than what either consumers pay for the ebook or what a physical book costs. See https://archive.is/Ha3VQ for one example:

> To illustrate the economics of e-book lending, the N.Y.P.L. sent me its January, 2021, figures for “A Promised Land,” the memoir by Barack Obama that had been published a few months earlier by Penguin Random House. At that point, the library system had purchased three hundred and ten perpetual audiobook licenses at ninety-five dollars each, for a total of $29,450, and had bought six hundred and thirty-nine one- and two-year licenses for the e-book, for a total of $22,512. Taken together, these digital rights cost about as much as three thousand copies of the consumer e-book, which sells for about eighteen dollars per copy. As of August, 2021, the library has spent less than ten thousand dollars on two hundred and twenty-six copies of the hardcover edition, which has a list price of forty-five dollars but sells for $23.23 on Amazon. A few thousand people had checked out digital copies in the book’s first three months, and thousands more were on the waiting list. (Several librarians told me that they monitor hold requests, including for books that have not yet been released, to decide how many licenses to acquire.)

doctorwho42 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The difference is that the books value, even reprints, become lower over time. Until they hit a minimum margin for the construction of said book.

Digital books/content requires little to no cost to replicate, unlike printing new books. But we have seen that the price of that content follows the "physical goods" model. Why should a 30-40 year old movie cost you $20 to steam?

wolvoleo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The difference it's that in the physical case the choice is up to the library, in the other it's forced upon them by the publisher.

JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Is there really a meaningful distinction between how libraries treat digital book licenses and physical books when you actually hit reality?

The main difference I see is the centralisation of censorship vectors. Pulling physical books off library shelves is visible and rightfully prompts a shitshow. Bullying a publisher into not renewing lending licenses strikes me as way easier to pull off.

nemomarx an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They sell them at the end of their life, sometimes, so you recoup a bit of the cost there. And you can also get books donated which reduces the up front cost.

I don't see a good way to do that for digital copies, and of course the expiry would be wholly artificial scarcity for them even if it was only a little bit more expensive than physical.

doctorwho42 an hour ago | parent [-]

It really comes back to IP law. In the past, the idea was you own the content for 20-30 years and then after that... It is owned by all of society.

Digital content is a great example of why we should fight back for old IP timelines.

Without it, we stagnate as a society. Our stories don't evolve, they just rot on the vine.

insane_dreamer an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

1) library has control of the decision-making; 2) they can resell or donate the book when it's exhausted its shelf-life

mjcl 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Even libraries can only license digital content for a limited period of time/loans before being forced to purchase new licenses. See https://www.spokanelibrary.org/the-true-cost-of-ebooks-and-a...

piperswe 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But those libraries have to pay each time they loan those digital goods. It's not the old "pay once loan until it's dust" model they use for physical goods.

nemomarx 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

can I donate my ebook to them?