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JeremyHerrman 5 hours ago

Apple loves to stealth test new tech in full public view by sneaking it into relatively mundane places, so debuting agentic AI via accessibility is very on brand.

A few other examples:

- The Touch Bar was much more than an OLED strip, it was Apple’s first move in the transition to Apple Silicon on macs. The Apple T1 chip in the 2016 Touch Bar MacBooks was the first solely Apple-designed processor to appear in a Mac and took over several responsibilities away from intel chipsets like power management, fans, sleep/wake, access to the camera & mic, and the secure enclave powering touch ID. Then the T2 added encryption of the SSD, audio management, image processing for the camera, and prevented tampering with the boot process

- The iPhone 3G shipped with a Liquidmetal SIM eject tool, which is made from a strong custom metal alloy which is "practically unbendable by hand unless you want to hurt or cut your fingers." Although Apple hasn’t released anything with the alloy since then, now nearly 20 years later Apple is rumored to be using liquid metal in their upcoming foldable iPhone.

- RealityKit had 3D scanning and a lot of other cool AR capabilities for years which didn’t make sense until the Apple Vision Pro was released.

JV00 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Also their first own modem, shipped in their cheapest tier starting with the iPhone 16e.

gnatolf 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

'liquid metal' sounds cool. It's probably a metallic glass. I super dislike that it seemingly will be synonymous with the brand name by Apple even though that stuff has been around for decades.

Not that there are particularly many places where this is used - mostly because it really is just very expensive. In the awesome position that Apple is in, economic feasibility is so much easier to achieve, with like tens of millions of guaranteed parts to be preduced.

bayindirh 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It's not metallic glass. It's an injectable, super strong alloy. You can manufacture things like you're using injection molded plastic.

To be honest, British also has an injectable stainless steel, but its application domain is much more different.

s0rce 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Are you sure? Liquid metal was the name of a bulk metallic glass. There were usb flash drives using it as a case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidmetal. Wikipedia lists apple licensing this technology.

Metal injection molding is also a thing but I haven't heard it called liquid metal. Usually its MIM.

bayindirh an hour ago | parent [-]

Honestly, I didn't know that "amorphous metal alloy" is also called metallic glass. I computed it to something else entirely. So you're right on that front.

MIM is something else, that's right, but properties of Liquid Glass allows it to be injection molded AFAIK.

MIM process is completely different from casting Liquid Metal. MIM generally starts as a powder and heated and molded, Liquid Metal can be just "melted and molded".

I have a stainless steel razor built with MIM. Has no resemblence to SanDisk Titanium's feel (which I also have).

s0rce an hour ago | parent [-]

glass is the general materials science term for an amorphous non-crystalline solid

bayindirh an hour ago | parent [-]

TIL.

I did my Ph.D. by developing BEM evaluators for working on metals, but glasses (as in class of materials) were not in my domain, so I'm thick as a brick on that part of the materials science.

Edit: BEM methods is as fun as USB buses and PSU units.

Melatonic 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Was "LiquidMetal" anything more than a good aluminum alloy ?

s0rce 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, it was an amorphous metal alloy. I knew people from grad school that worked for the company.

They have interesting properties: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_51frrQzCYM

bayindirh 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes.

I have a Sandisk Titanium flash drive which is the first practical application of the alloy, shortly before Apple snapped it.

It's feels solid, not wearing down and pretty robust for what it is. It doesn't get scratches like aluminum alloys.

It's entirely something else.

Melatonic 2 hours ago | parent [-]

So it's Titanium? That's cool - what's the name of the flash drive and or do you have more info ? Always loved titanium stuff

bayindirh an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Nope, it's called/branded "Titanium". The thing was built from Liquid Metal.

Image of the thing: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,wi...

s0rce 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think most of the commercial liquid metal like the sandisk drive were zirconium based.

paul7986 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And their upcoming smart glasses are the best UX for almost everything they showed the user holding up her phone for.

I read their glasses when taking video or pics the lense will light up and or flash more prominently then Metas. Maybe that will help the whole privacy issue and also it's not Meta (do love my Meta or smart glasses as a whole will ditch Metas for Apple quickly as both pair of Metas broke & there's no store for support).

jareds 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I also am looking forward to Apple smart glasses. I use Meta glasses because thre useful since I'm totally blind. I'd much rather have on device recognission though if possible. I also trust Apple more then Meta. At least I'm technically enclined enough to realize I shouldn't wear them in the bathroom or bedroom. At least when humans look at my AI prompts there maily seeing food boxes or computer bios screens.

bookofjoe 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Same for me! Both pairs of Metas are now inoperative because I can't get them back to factory reset. Once you pull that little blue tab out of them when they're new, it's GAME OVER.

diseasedyak 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Dang, really? Why would that be? I mean, I believe you, I'm just shocked. I'm glad I read this, as I was thinking of getting some but not now.

RobMurray 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is a factory reset procedure, I think you hold the shutter button while switching them off and on again.

hawaiianbrah 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I’ve had excellent luck with their warranty process.

SmirkingRevenge 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Man I miss the touch bar. Never got why people hated it so much

mjamesaustin 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The hate was because it replaced function keys many people use by tactile touch, without looking. Doing the same on a touch screen is very difficult.

If the bar had been added on top of those, I don't think there would've been the same kind of hate for it.

landr0id 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I didn't really mind the fn keys being there. I rarely use function keys unless I'm RDP'd to a Windows machine.

What drove me crazy though was the escape key. They later added the physical escape key back but I think at that point it was a bit too late.

phatskat 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I’ve always been a “remap capslock to escape” kind of guy (vim), so I didn’t mind much. Access to the brightness (screen and keyboard) and volume slider was neat but superfluous with the OG fn keys. Context-driven controls were probably the best thing about the touch bar, and I don’t think it got enough love to make that stick.

tokenscoper 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Adding to the list of grievances, the functionality and the options it presented differed from app to app. I understand that the function keys also change their function app to app, but the visual noise the Touch Bar (wow - the word even gets autocorrected to have the right capitalization!) added as you switched between apps was too distracting.

SmirkingRevenge 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ah yea, I've only owned one with the physical escape key. That would be annoying.

prepend 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Even without tactile elements it was two keys to use function keys.

I would have been fine with the touchbar if it just default displayed function keys. Hitting fn+f5 to quicksave is annoying.

0x457 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

1) First generation made ESC button a touch button. Aside from ergonomics (or lack of them), at least for me, on a psychological level "abort" button needs to be something you can smash. Also, macOS already had the worst input handling under load, making it virtual button made it worse.

2) While "happy path" on macOS pretty much never requires you to use Fkeys, but my workflow does. Blindly using touch buttons is harder than real buttons.

3) I'm not huge media keys users, but I bet #2 applies here as well.

I liked the touchbar in every other sense. If it was just an addition to an existing keyboard, people wouldn't have hate it[];

[]: At that time it was hard to not be frustrated using mac (butterfly keyboard etc), so touchbar might have gotten more hate than it deserved because of overall frustration.

Tagbert 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also, the Touch Bar seemed to be abandoned as soon as it launched. It only ever launched on the Pro line. There were never any feature updates. They never made it flexible enough for people to customize it.

phatskat 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> They never made it flexible enough for people to customize it.

I feel like it was fairly customizable - the Mac system settings let you do a lot of drag and drop of controls, and I recall iTerm having a similar interface for customizing the bar in its own settings.

I do think it should’ve been given a lot more love, but that’s Apple for ya I guess

dd8601fn 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think a bigger issue was that so few applications used it in cool, interesting ways. It has the same appeal as the oled button boxes some people have, except it’s right there on the deck… but nobody did anything with it.

I sure did prefer the media controls on it, though. I still have a 16” here and am reminded of what could have been.

Barbing 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Touchbar users, check BetterTouchTool for tons of options

sneak 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It was extremely flexible in customization options, and there were SDKs to make it do additional cool stuff in apps, but nobody really cared for the most part.

I honestly think it was mostly a "we have a custom secure coprocessor now, what can we do with it?" sort of thing, which also worked out for Touch ID and disk encryption.

donkyrf 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I still have a personal Touch Bar MBP, and I find it annoying.

My problem is that I lightly rest my hands on the keyboard (including the f keys), and this habit is harmless on most Macs, but inadvertently activates the Touch Bar functions.

I actually like the idea a lot, and would probably love it if it required a little more pressure to activate.

cloverich 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

One more on top of others. Many people felt it was a solution in search of a problem. As in, there was no problem i had that it solved. And it was forced on us, in place of something useful. From the start i read that as: This wont be here in a couple years. Which then made it annoying to deal with in the meantime (the hate).

Things that stick around, are generally value adding across a large or complete subset of their users. Touch bar was always niche, and thus always doomed. I think a good counter comparison is Apple VR headsets. For me, i have no use and little interest. But i can see them as a hedge at the very least, or as an enthusiast entrant into an emerging market, where future products in that segment may become interesting. And on top, it doesnt impact me - i can ignore their existence until it becomes useful.

If touch bar were launched like VR, i suspect it would have gotten similar level of dismisals, but less hate.

rjrjrjrj 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I didn't like it, and was happy when they got rid of it. But I didn't hate it.

I did hate the butterfly keyboard that was introduced at the same time. Probably Apple's biggest hardware mistake of the past 15 years or so.

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