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SmirkingRevenge 6 hours ago

Man I miss the touch bar. Never got why people hated it so much

mjamesaustin 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The hate was because it replaced function keys many people use by tactile touch, without looking. Doing the same on a touch screen is very difficult.

If the bar had been added on top of those, I don't think there would've been the same kind of hate for it.

landr0id 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I didn't really mind the fn keys being there. I rarely use function keys unless I'm RDP'd to a Windows machine.

What drove me crazy though was the escape key. They later added the physical escape key back but I think at that point it was a bit too late.

phatskat 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I’ve always been a “remap capslock to escape” kind of guy (vim), so I didn’t mind much. Access to the brightness (screen and keyboard) and volume slider was neat but superfluous with the OG fn keys. Context-driven controls were probably the best thing about the touch bar, and I don’t think it got enough love to make that stick.

tokenscoper 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Adding to the list of grievances, the functionality and the options it presented differed from app to app. I understand that the function keys also change their function app to app, but the visual noise the Touch Bar (wow - the word even gets autocorrected to have the right capitalization!) added as you switched between apps was too distracting.

SmirkingRevenge 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ah yea, I've only owned one with the physical escape key. That would be annoying.

prepend 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Even without tactile elements it was two keys to use function keys.

I would have been fine with the touchbar if it just default displayed function keys. Hitting fn+f5 to quicksave is annoying.

0x457 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

1) First generation made ESC button a touch button. Aside from ergonomics (or lack of them), at least for me, on a psychological level "abort" button needs to be something you can smash. Also, macOS already had the worst input handling under load, making it virtual button made it worse.

2) While "happy path" on macOS pretty much never requires you to use Fkeys, but my workflow does. Blindly using touch buttons is harder than real buttons.

3) I'm not huge media keys users, but I bet #2 applies here as well.

I liked the touchbar in every other sense. If it was just an addition to an existing keyboard, people wouldn't have hate it[];

[]: At that time it was hard to not be frustrated using mac (butterfly keyboard etc), so touchbar might have gotten more hate than it deserved because of overall frustration.

Tagbert 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also, the Touch Bar seemed to be abandoned as soon as it launched. It only ever launched on the Pro line. There were never any feature updates. They never made it flexible enough for people to customize it.

phatskat 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> They never made it flexible enough for people to customize it.

I feel like it was fairly customizable - the Mac system settings let you do a lot of drag and drop of controls, and I recall iTerm having a similar interface for customizing the bar in its own settings.

I do think it should’ve been given a lot more love, but that’s Apple for ya I guess

dd8601fn 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think a bigger issue was that so few applications used it in cool, interesting ways. It has the same appeal as the oled button boxes some people have, except it’s right there on the deck… but nobody did anything with it.

I sure did prefer the media controls on it, though. I still have a 16” here and am reminded of what could have been.

Barbing 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Touchbar users, check BetterTouchTool for tons of options

sneak 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It was extremely flexible in customization options, and there were SDKs to make it do additional cool stuff in apps, but nobody really cared for the most part.

I honestly think it was mostly a "we have a custom secure coprocessor now, what can we do with it?" sort of thing, which also worked out for Touch ID and disk encryption.

donkyrf 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I still have a personal Touch Bar MBP, and I find it annoying.

My problem is that I lightly rest my hands on the keyboard (including the f keys), and this habit is harmless on most Macs, but inadvertently activates the Touch Bar functions.

I actually like the idea a lot, and would probably love it if it required a little more pressure to activate.

cloverich 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

One more on top of others. Many people felt it was a solution in search of a problem. As in, there was no problem i had that it solved. And it was forced on us, in place of something useful. From the start i read that as: This wont be here in a couple years. Which then made it annoying to deal with in the meantime (the hate).

Things that stick around, are generally value adding across a large or complete subset of their users. Touch bar was always niche, and thus always doomed. I think a good counter comparison is Apple VR headsets. For me, i have no use and little interest. But i can see them as a hedge at the very least, or as an enthusiast entrant into an emerging market, where future products in that segment may become interesting. And on top, it doesnt impact me - i can ignore their existence until it becomes useful.

If touch bar were launched like VR, i suspect it would have gotten similar level of dismisals, but less hate.

rjrjrjrj 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I didn't like it, and was happy when they got rid of it. But I didn't hate it.

I did hate the butterfly keyboard that was introduced at the same time. Probably Apple's biggest hardware mistake of the past 15 years or so.

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