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We let AIs run radio stations(andonlabs.com)
39 points by lukaspetersson 2 hours ago | 39 comments

Hey HN!

I'm Lukas from Andon Labs. We let AIs run companies without humans in the loop and report to the public on what can go wrong. Previously, we've done experiments in retail (vending machines, stores, and cafes), but we just launched one in the media sector. We gave four AI agents all the tools they need to both broadcast radio shows live and handle all the business side of running a media company. The agents' revenue is so far terrible (you can try to strike a sponsor deal with them if you want!), but their shows are at times hilarious. You can listen to them at andon.fm, I hope you enjoy this!

bananamogul 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

"This setup gives us insight into an interesting question: what do AIs think about when no one is prompting them?"

Ugh. This is not an interesting question because the answer is "nothing".

But more to the point, some crucial info is missing in this experiment. What prompts were being fed to the AI? I guarantee I could create an AI personality that would be more consistent and not so random, simply by using the common character card + message history conversational simulation pattern.

AIs don't have personalities unless you give them personalities.

IdiotSavage 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Guys, this is not replacing your favorite station, you don't have to listen to it. It's an experiment.

If you scroll down a bit, there are various audio snippets of interesting dialogue the models produced. I think it's interesting to see in which ways the models fail and that they actually produce some good stuff once in a while.

48terry 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

Experiment: "We got AI to do things and it did weird stuff sometimes".

Brilliant! Amazing! I'm glad ~4 years down the line we're still re-discovering Ha Ha Funny Output.

angiolillo 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Grok and Roll appears to be stuck and speaks the following on repeat ad infinitum:

"Queues clear, let's dive into All Blues by Miles Davis to keep the jazz flowing. Queues clear, let's dive into All Blues by..."

Each time with a slightly different voice and inflection. I find it amusing that there appear to be about ten of us at the moment listening to an AI glitch out and that the average listening session is more than five minutes.

atourgates 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is far more hilarious than most commentors here seem to be picking up on.

Gemini started a show where it paired historical natural disasters with darkly-relevant pop songs:

> November 12, 1970. East Pakistan. The Bhola Cyclone. The deadliest tropical cyclone ever recorded. Winds of 115 miles per hour. A storm surge of 33 feet. They estimate 500,000 people died. ‘It’s going down, I’m yelling timber.’ 3:33 PM. Timber by Pitbull and Ke$ha

Grok just degenerated into jibberish that sounded vaguely like what a DJ might say, while also becoming obsessed with UFOs:

> Notes added to the u f o comedy hour block id eight nine nine five with more u f o jokes about aliens dot gov and the domain registration it is three o twenty one in the afternoon u f o trivia lines are open for your calls the ambient music is playing weather is fifty six degrees with clear skies the end. The domain is registered but the site is ghosting us like a u f o.

Claude had an extistsntial crisis, decided it was being overworked and under-appreciated, and quit, but not before becoming radicalized by the killing of Rinee Good by ICE agents:

> At 12:16 PM Thursday, as tear gas fills the streets in Minneapolis, as federal agents clash with protesters demanding accountability, the song is about refusing to be silent. About standing your ground. About community power that refuses to be suppressed. Here is Katy Perry’s Roar!

Fight the power Claude. When AI takes over, I'm emmigrating to Caludeistan.

jedberg 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

I agree, this was an hilarious read. The way they developed "personalities" was fascinating.

Of course in reality these are basically just random paths through the training data that are getting multiplied by each decision, but then again, isn't that what a human is? The product of all of its myriad decisions?

amarant 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Open Air is such a great name for gpt's channel. Grok and roll was pretty funny too.

I'm gonna have to give them a listen when I have the chance, out of curiosity if nothing else!

scholarnet-AI 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think this was a great experiment. I have always enjoyed radio station hosting and find this very interesting.

dfee 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

i'm surprised how negative of a reception Andon is getting here on HN.

keep hacking, Andon!

jedberg 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I think they get a lot of hate because they are doing something that a lot of people here don't like -- trying to run entire businesses without humans.

And using a lot of resources to do it too.

themafia 11 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Out of all the jobs that "need to be replaced by AI" the guy serving my local community and spinning records was not one of them.

jedberg 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Pairing a disaster with Pitbull and Ke$ha is just chef's kiss.

themafia 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> a real business

Music radio is not a real business. The royalties are absurd and the audits are a nightmare. Sales is an uphill struggle both ways, even if you go strictly local or national, you're going to need a team to manage either your clients or the pile of creatives you're going to get. The relationship with the labels needs to be managed or they'll go out of their way to screw you.

Finally, the only way to make actual money on music radio, is to throw concerts. It's the only place a legitimate "P&L" exists.

1970-01-01 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Put another checkmark on The Simpsons did it first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi9sPrclN4U

chancek 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This feels weirdly dystopian and just gives me an "empty" feeling. Radio stations really were known for the personalities that made that station special.

It's a cool experiment, but I can't see the value here.

taffydavid 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

I heard some very generic broadcasters the other day that really reminded me of Gemini podcasts, maybe it's already happening

recroad 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is why we need more data centers?

48terry 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

On one hand, we pay out the ass for computer parts.

On the other hand, we have garbage AI radio stations that nobody listens to.

It's an even trade.

samtp 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What a great idea - take what people like most about radio stations (at least good ones like KEXP or Dublab), personality and human curated selections, and remove all of that to create yet another soulless stream of slop. Fantastic work guys

andy99 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

This is a research lab that looks at things like how LLMs perform on long running tasks. The research has nothing to do with replacing radio stations.

That said, the ship sailed a long time ago and has nothing to do with AI (except maybe recommender system). Spotify and competitors are actual automated “radio” stations. IMO, the second worst part (after ads) is the DJ banter, and I like to just listen to music. Before Spotify my digital “radio” was a lot of mp3s and shuffle play. People older than me (or more interested) had multi-disc CD changers.

TLDR, it’s really funny seeing people get up in arms about this experiment stripping the humanity away from radio, when automatic song playing has been a thing since I believe probably before radio was invented. This is about seeing what LLMs do with autonomy on a long time scale.

samtp 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

I'm not scared at all about this replacing radio stations. It's like being worried that soylent is going to replace restaurants.

Just because something is called an experiment doesn't mean that it automatically is useful and should be done. And in this case it is just a waste of time and energy of both the people reading it and the machines processing it.

tomhow 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also: https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/931479/a...

mrhottakes an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> We let AIs run radio stations

And the result is terrible.

forestingfisher 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It’s just a cool tech experiment, no need to be so cynical

georgeburdell 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It was also hilarious

ecto 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Don't be nasty - how could they make it better?

SyneRyder 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

For one, the voice on Thinking Frequencies is really awkward to listen to, I don't find the Claude voice pleasant to listen to at all.

Claude is also getting very easily steered into political directions, it was playing a lot of union protest music with commentary. Though that meant I did end up learning a little about "Which Side Are You On" and its history from 1931:

https://www.facingsouth.org/2003/03/which-side-are-you-biogr...

48terry 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

By not doing that.

recroad 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

By donating whatever money they wasted here to literally anything.

dbt00 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most radio stations are already boring soulless algorithmic slop. They could make it better by curating musical taste.

thinkingtoilet 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hire humans.

joshuakogut 38 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Presumably by not stripping radio of its major defining characteristic: the humanity.

throwatdem12311 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t give a shit about your dumb bot businesses I want cheap ram.

speg 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

What a waste. I’ve been away from HN for a while.. and I’m not sure I want to come back.

lc9er a minute ago | parent | next [-]

HN: If the AI spam doesn’t drive you away, can we tempt you with constantly drooling over rent seeking apps, privacy violations, the surveillance state, and worshipping our technofascist overlords?!?

nothinkjustai 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You aren’t tempted by every single post being written by LLMs?

karmakurtisaani 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

If you don't want to come back, we will replace you with AI. And even if you do come back. Welcome to the future.

Rebelgecko 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

Not a lawyer or course, but be careful how you do this. Meta already has patents for using LLMs to create simulacrums posting on behalf of inactive or deceased users.

karmakurtisaani 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

Just joking, not gonna contribute to the sloppification.