But what privacy do you think majority of people who not doing something badly illegal expect from VPNs?

Most likely these people just look to hide their torrenting, saying political shit on Twitter from employer and not share their choice of porn with local ISP. Also just adding one more layer between them and occasional scammer who can sometimes infer more broad geodata from their IP leaked from yet another database. Oh and now to avoid "Show your ID" page on the same porn sites.

It works well enough for this goal. Not everyone needs NSA-proof solution.

PS: Obviously more tech savvy people understand importance of hiding traffic on public WiFi, but I doubt average Joe the VPN user will buy VPN for this.

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illiac786 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Source? Why not “I don’t want to get profiled”?

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hdgvhicv 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The mass surveillance industry doesn’t rely on ips or even cookies to track you.

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illiac786 2 hours ago | parent [-]

That seems like a huge bet. I don’t bet on this, I am careful about cookies and my source IPs.

Do you have any facts? I know they really on _additional_ stuff, but do you have sources showing that they never use cookies or source IPs?

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schubidubiduba an hour ago | parent | next [-]

He said they don't rely on it. They can use fingerprinting. Obviously they'll still use any other data you give them, including IP addresses or cookies.

	▲	illiac786 42 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Ok, what was his point then? “They don’t rely on it, so it’s useless to obfuscate it”, or “but you should keep obfuscating it” or something else? I am missing the relation to my original comment then.

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fragmede 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

That's a different claim though. Obviously they'd use cookies and source IPs when they're available, because why not use all of the information available to you. That browser fingerprinting is good enough that neither of those sources are necessary is for you to decide on whom to believe.

On that topic, though, is the Mullvad Browser, who's entire intention is to defeat browser fingerprinting.

	▲	illiac786 34 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I need to test it, that reminds me, thanks. So many browsers. Does it support multiaccount containers?