| ▲ | Cisco workforce reductions(blogs.cisco.com) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 98 points by ahmedomran8 3 hours ago | 64 comments | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | 0x0000000 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This kind of behavior is never tolerated in the market. Your revenue is flat; they lay you off. Right away. No trial, no nothing. Your revenue is down, right to layoffs, right away. Revenue grows but less than guidance? Layoffs. Record revenue exceeding guidance? Believe it or not, layoffs. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | protocolture 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> Today we announced our Q3 FY26 earnings with record revenue of $15.8 billion, up 12 percent year over year, and double-digit top and bottom-line growth. The ELT and I could not be prouder of the growth you have all delivered for Cisco. Interesting decision considering they aren't at any sort of risk. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | declan_roberts 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This type of thing should come along with a reduction of allowed H-1bs. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | HDBaseT an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
"I could not be prouder of the growth you delivered" Note the "you delivered"... --- A few lines later "With this, we are making changes today that will result in the reduction of our overall workforce in Q4 by fewer than 4,000 jobs" Rough, bit on the nose no? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | ralph84 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> We will provide support in finding new opportunities, whether internal or external, through Cisco’s placement services – a program that has seen 75 percent of participants discover their next role. 25% unemployment doesn't seem like something to brag about. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | banach 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This is why corporations need to be owned and operated by the employees. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | fny 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It's important to keep in mind Cisco made a billion AI and cybersec acquisitions in the past few years and they've downsized to 2022 levels. This is not an AI job elimination story. I think the next recession will trigger that. The AI hype train ironically needs engineers of all stripes to run. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | holysoles an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Almost bought cisco shares today, glad I didn't. A workplace that values job security is such a motivating factor for employees that I don't think is recognized enough. At a company that conducts layoffs, it feels like you're just waiting for the next one. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | jjtheblunt an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
"Executive Leadership Team" is such an interesting phrase. Never in several years inside Apple spanning Steve Jobs and Tim Cook heard any such condescending nonsense. I believe it's because they truly didn't think that way. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | walrus01 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
5% reduction returns them to the headcount on what date? Something like mid 2022 if the info I'm finding is correct. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | passive 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
My extremely cynical, but not yet proven wrong view: Tech, more or less, has a group of investors centered around Silicon Valley. Not the only ones, but especially now, the most active. Generally, these folk have a lot of exposure to AI, and probably mostly believe the hype around it. Which means they believe companies using AI should produce better results, which in the current market means short-term cash. So if a company doesn't do layoffs, no matter how well it is doing, it is seen as irresponsible and investment is withheld from it. GitLab's announcement felt illustrative of this dynamic: - The actual reductions were focused on simplifying org structure, nothing to do with AI - They identified MORE work that was on their roadmap because of the way AI is changing software engineering - They made sure to include a special section for investors Seems to me they should have made the org changes in an unrelated announcement, and celebrated the opportunity for new work and the possible hiring that might be required to accomplish it all. Like, GitLab is in an incredible position to moonshot the next generation of software. AI needs new substrate to work most effectively, and GitLab is the most popular "alternative" substrate to the fragile dinosaur that Github has become. But AI needs to be seen as cutting costs above all else, so they can sell more of it everywhere, and this is what we get. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | maxdo 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Cisco do not have real ai strategy . Routers are routers. Even their ai factory is yet another box just with label nvidia on it . No major investment needed. All that observability tooling around is only benefiting ai wave . They can vibe re-write everything . | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | absolutewinner an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The other thing is that the laid off employees will lose all their unvested RSUs. These shares were granted as compensation for past performance but they can now be conveniently clawed back by the company just because they decide to lay you off. Stock can be a large part of someone's compensation in a tech company. Companies shouldn't be allowed to benefit this way if they decide to lay off employees. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | ciscociscocisco an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> We have important, impactful, and consequential work ahead writing so bad claude could do better | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | pm90 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Cisco is well known to do annual layoffs, this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | dalmo3 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> reduction of our overall workforce in Q4 by fewer than 4,000 jobs Interesting use of fewer. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | 0xbadcafebee 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The casualness of mentioning record revenues in the same PR statement as laying off 4,000 people is fucked up on a new level. It used to be you were supposed to at least pretend you were forced into a layoff. But now it's like "Hey guys! It's time for our regularly scheduled layoff to juice profits! I got an extra $5M bonus for this!" | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | semiquaver 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
OMG, press the “read aloud” button. Brings me right back to to computer class in 1995! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | totetsu an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
>To those leaving Cisco, thank you for your contribution, your dedication, and the mark you have made on this company. We are deeply grateful and are committed to handling this transition with the care, clarity, and respect that defines our culture. Who the hell needs gratitude if you can't earn an income.. seeing all of these layoffs I cant help but think something along the lines of .. Those of use who greatest asset is our labor need to recognize the great risk it is at of going to 0 value in the near future, and renegotiate everything to get as much value out of that asset before it does. Like enough to retire on. And as with established theories of intelectual property rights protect creators moral rights to the profits of their work, there needs to be mandated moral rights that stop peoples labor being used as training data for AI without the consent, and without a path or compensation for the loss of income that will cause them.. Otherwise this is just one big transfer of power from most people, to people with capital, who can then wield that power in more capricious and selfish ways. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | markus_zhang an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
OK looks like the horn has been blown. Now they are all doing layoffs. Wall Street waving its visible hand again? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | alasano an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Coinbase, CloudFlare, Cisco. Another round of layoffs at CrowdStrike would fit the pattern nicely. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | bitmasher9 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
“We are running out of good ideas to execute on, so we are reducing our workforce to a quantity we can utilize.” | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | 33MHz-i486 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
its sickening that these companies making 10s of Billions in profit annually at 60% gross margins are going to throw their employees that got them there under the bus. layoffs are for at risk companies undergoing restructuring not semi-annual financial engineering of your earnings release I’m not a big collective action proponent historically but in the face of this bs, it might be time. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | sciencesama an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
how big is the WFR ? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | charlie0 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Revenue, not profit. A lot of that is likely inflation. I suspect we'll see this pattern repeat quite a bit with the oncoming oil shock | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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