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Cisco workforce reductions(blogs.cisco.com)
98 points by ahmedomran8 3 hours ago | 64 comments
0x0000000 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This kind of behavior is never tolerated in the market. Your revenue is flat; they lay you off. Right away. No trial, no nothing. Your revenue is down, right to layoffs, right away. Revenue grows but less than guidance? Layoffs. Record revenue exceeding guidance? Believe it or not, layoffs.

TSP00N3 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

lol! For those that didn’t get the Parks and Rec reference: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eiyfwZVAzGw

mgh2 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

Gel

ivraatiems an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We have the best market in the world, because of ~~AI bubble~~ layoffs.

alephnerd an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> This kind of behavior is never tolerated in the market

This is Cisco. They do layoffs every quarter and have been doing so since the early 2000s.

protocolture 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Today we announced our Q3 FY26 earnings with record revenue of $15.8 billion, up 12 percent year over year, and double-digit top and bottom-line growth. The ELT and I could not be prouder of the growth you have all delivered for Cisco.

Interesting decision considering they aren't at any sort of risk.

marcus_holmes 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Wall St gonna Wall St

declan_roberts 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This type of thing should come along with a reduction of allowed H-1bs.

siren2026 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Cisco especially is absolutely full of H1Bs.

As someone that has worked for them a decade ago, some of their division is >90% Indian. Those are all good engineers but mostly on H1Bs.

Laying off that much should indeed make it almost impossible to hire H1Bs going forward.

jimbob45 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’d prefer a forced resignation of the CEO and board with no severance.

csomar 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I think H1Bs are pretty much dead with the 100k fee.

b3ing 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

They are still getting jobs non stop

HDBaseT an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"I could not be prouder of the growth you delivered"

Note the "you delivered"...

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A few lines later

"With this, we are making changes today that will result in the reduction of our overall workforce in Q4 by fewer than 4,000 jobs"

Rough, bit on the nose no?

ralph84 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> We will provide support in finding new opportunities, whether internal or external, through Cisco’s placement services – a program that has seen 75 percent of participants discover their next role.

25% unemployment doesn't seem like something to brag about.

alexandre_m an hour ago | parent [-]

Maybe they found something outside the program, but your cynical take is way more entertaining.

banach 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is why corporations need to be owned and operated by the employees.

simianwords 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

these corporations would never work because they would optimise for the wrong thing - they would get their face eaten by other more efficient and ruthless corporations

tjpnz 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

You'll also be less exposed in privately owned companies.

fny 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's important to keep in mind Cisco made a billion AI and cybersec acquisitions in the past few years and they've downsized to 2022 levels.

This is not an AI job elimination story. I think the next recession will trigger that. The AI hype train ironically needs engineers of all stripes to run.

holysoles an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Almost bought cisco shares today, glad I didn't.

A workplace that values job security is such a motivating factor for employees that I don't think is recognized enough. At a company that conducts layoffs, it feels like you're just waiting for the next one.

otterley an hour ago | parent [-]

If you had, your investment would be up 20% now. https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/csco

bigstrat2003 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

There are more important things than making money. I assume that the parent poster was glad to not buy into a company that doesn't treat their employees well.

siren2026 3 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

To profit you also need to get out at the right time.

Right now everything seems so inflated. I don't believe this economy represents any of the underlying assets correctly anymore. I really think we are on the verge of one of the biggest bubbles in history.

Time will tell.

jjtheblunt an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Executive Leadership Team" is such an interesting phrase. Never in several years inside Apple spanning Steve Jobs and Tim Cook heard any such condescending nonsense.

I believe it's because they truly didn't think that way.

dcrazy 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Tim Cook has referred to the “E-Team” in many earnings calls. I am guessing that consists of the SVPs who are above the horizontal line on https://www.apple.com/leadership/

aiscoming 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

that horizontal line is hillarious. I can imagine the discussions with the designers "just put the fucking line there, I dont care how it looks, its important to separate the two sets of people"

jjtheblunt 29 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

that's plausible, since i never listened to earnings calls, and since external communications might take different form than internal, i bet.

smugma a minute ago | parent [-]

ET is frequently used to describe Apple’s Executive Team.

geekone an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

XCOM (Executive Committee) was my least favorite at one of the soulless corps i worked at years ago.

walrus01 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

5% reduction returns them to the headcount on what date? Something like mid 2022 if the info I'm finding is correct.

passive 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My extremely cynical, but not yet proven wrong view:

Tech, more or less, has a group of investors centered around Silicon Valley. Not the only ones, but especially now, the most active. Generally, these folk have a lot of exposure to AI, and probably mostly believe the hype around it.

Which means they believe companies using AI should produce better results, which in the current market means short-term cash. So if a company doesn't do layoffs, no matter how well it is doing, it is seen as irresponsible and investment is withheld from it.

GitLab's announcement felt illustrative of this dynamic:

- The actual reductions were focused on simplifying org structure, nothing to do with AI

- They identified MORE work that was on their roadmap because of the way AI is changing software engineering

- They made sure to include a special section for investors

Seems to me they should have made the org changes in an unrelated announcement, and celebrated the opportunity for new work and the possible hiring that might be required to accomplish it all.

Like, GitLab is in an incredible position to moonshot the next generation of software. AI needs new substrate to work most effectively, and GitLab is the most popular "alternative" substrate to the fragile dinosaur that Github has become.

But AI needs to be seen as cutting costs above all else, so they can sell more of it everywhere, and this is what we get.

maxdo 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Cisco do not have real ai strategy . Routers are routers. Even their ai factory is yet another box just with label nvidia on it . No major investment needed.

All that observability tooling around is only benefiting ai wave . They can vibe re-write everything .

siren2026 a minute ago | parent [-]

At this point Cisco is a conglomerate that does everything and nothing. They own so many different verticals that even people working there don't really know what cisco fully does anymore.

But I agree though, this is an artificial stock pump because of the rush to buy picks and shovels.

absolutewinner an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The other thing is that the laid off employees will lose all their unvested RSUs. These shares were granted as compensation for past performance but they can now be conveniently clawed back by the company just because they decide to lay you off. Stock can be a large part of someone's compensation in a tech company. Companies shouldn't be allowed to benefit this way if they decide to lay off employees.

boguscoder 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Alas this happens in all FAANG layoffs too, some lucky people get to received one more vest but nothing close to all unvested RSUs

cheevly 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

False

mtucker502 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

What particular point do you find false?

ciscociscocisco an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> We have important, impactful, and consequential work ahead

writing so bad claude could do better

izucken 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

> It's not just impactful, it's consequential

pm90 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Cisco is well known to do annual layoffs, this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.

dalmo3 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> reduction of our overall workforce in Q4 by fewer than 4,000 jobs

Interesting use of fewer.

udave 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

seems like the same trick as behind labelling price as $99.9

0xbadcafebee 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The casualness of mentioning record revenues in the same PR statement as laying off 4,000 people is fucked up on a new level. It used to be you were supposed to at least pretend you were forced into a layoff. But now it's like "Hey guys! It's time for our regularly scheduled layoff to juice profits! I got an extra $5M bonus for this!"

dcrazy 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

What’s really weird to me is they clearly wanted to convey to the Street that these layoffs were _not_ motivated by any of their financial results with the phrasing “fewer than 4,000”. But they conspicuously didn’t provide any other reason. No divisions closing down, no realignment of capital.

I wonder if someone in the C-suite simply decided that they had some rough percentage of underperformers on the payroll, but they can’t publicly call them performance based terminations without triggering a risk of lawsuits.

semiquaver 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

OMG, press the “read aloud” button. Brings me right back to to computer class in 1995!

ing33k 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

sounds like a daft punk song !

totetsu an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>To those leaving Cisco, thank you for your contribution, your dedication, and the mark you have made on this company. We are deeply grateful and are committed to handling this transition with the care, clarity, and respect that defines our culture.

Who the hell needs gratitude if you can't earn an income.. seeing all of these layoffs I cant help but think something along the lines of .. Those of use who greatest asset is our labor need to recognize the great risk it is at of going to 0 value in the near future, and renegotiate everything to get as much value out of that asset before it does. Like enough to retire on. And as with established theories of intelectual property rights protect creators moral rights to the profits of their work, there needs to be mandated moral rights that stop peoples labor being used as training data for AI without the consent, and without a path or compensation for the loss of income that will cause them.. Otherwise this is just one big transfer of power from most people, to people with capital, who can then wield that power in more capricious and selfish ways.

kjellsbells an hour ago | parent [-]

lately I've been stuck by the similarities between the conversations workers are having now (we are toiling to increase someone else's capital, and need to reverse the imbalance of power) and the conversations people had in the 1920s and 30s.

With the benefit of hindsight we know that marxism didnt help, but I can see why the siren song was so attractive back then. Time to reread Eric Hobsbawm.

leopld an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Look at social democratic European states for inspiration. High unionization (supported by the state), unemployment benefits, cheap or free higher education.

Companies can still do layoffs, but that’s how you manage the consequences at a societal level.

I know the unionization part is contested these days in Europe, too - but it is still much stronger than in the US.

ivraatiems an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And to think, if they could just take less, and be satisfied being billionaires, not tens of billionaires, this could all be avoided... people don't ask for much. Give them a little, you'll be fine.

But that won't please The Market.

UltraSane an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Starting around 1970 the rich started working very hard to expressly undo the power labor gained during the New Deal.

markus_zhang an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

OK looks like the horn has been blown. Now they are all doing layoffs. Wall Street waving its visible hand again?

alasano an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Coinbase, CloudFlare, Cisco.

Another round of layoffs at CrowdStrike would fit the pattern nicely.

maxdo 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

Meta , ms ( soft ) , Google .

bitmasher9 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

“We are running out of good ideas to execute on, so we are reducing our workforce to a quantity we can utilize.”

denkmoon an hour ago | parent [-]

but there's still so many bad ideas available to be executed on

33MHz-i486 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

its sickening that these companies making 10s of Billions in profit annually at 60% gross margins are going to throw their employees that got them there under the bus.

layoffs are for at risk companies undergoing restructuring not semi-annual financial engineering of your earnings release

I’m not a big collective action proponent historically but in the face of this bs, it might be time.

wahnfrieden an hour ago | parent [-]

Layoffs are not “for” that. That’s your fantasy.

You believe more in the individual relationship each worker has with their employer to negotiate times like these? With what power? The employees did excellently so they are being let go. The individual worker has no leverage for anything.

sciencesama an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

how big is the WFR ?

dpe82 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The press release states it clearly.

neilfrndes an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

4k, <5%

charlie0 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Revenue, not profit. A lot of that is likely inflation. I suspect we'll see this pattern repeat quite a bit with the oncoming oil shock

alemanek an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Their EPS is also up 37% GAAP / 10% Non-GAAP YoY and they beat their forecast. They aren’t hurting for money.

https://newsroom.cisco.com/c/r/newsroom/en/us/a/y2026/m05/ci...

StatsAreFun an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The earnings report does mention profit as well. For example, it states: "GAAP EPS of $0.85, up 37% year over year ..."