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jmspamerton 3 hours ago

Physician and Hospital resources is a real zero sum game, how do you fairly regulate the medical landscape so those who's lives will benefit most from a procedure will receive the procedure?

Who decides this? You?

Should we allow everyone in the world who needs a procedure to receive one free and get ahead in line for Americans who need the same procedure? That's what the current climate looks like with unbridaled immigration under progressives.

These are hard questions. What's the answer?

AlotOfReading 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I guarantee you that the insurance company has zero clue or consideration for any physician and hospital resource constraints.

Gating access to medical care is the job of the patient's PCP and or other doctor. If the care is truly, meaningfully rationed (like transplant organs and blood banks), there are triaged priority lists managed by medical organizations.

throwway120385 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why not pay for these things out of taxes? I don't think you'll be so quick to defend the system if you ever find yourself needing care beyond a checkup once a year. It's designed to make the insurance carrier money by constantly having little costs slip through the cracks that should be covered. Get a dental checkup? Sorry one of your X-Rays wasn't covered but the other ones were. Now you get to spend hours fighting for a $13.00 cost. Oh you're at the max for this service for the year because we accumulated the estimated cost when you started calling doctors about what the after-insurance cost will be. Wait a minute this out-patient consult is actually a surgery because you saw a surgeon so it must have been a surgery, and it's not medically necessary to have the surgery without the consult.

ben-johnson an hour ago | parent [-]

Because there are a finite number of doctors and hospital beds and you can't create either by throwing more money at the problem. You didn't actually read the content did you

freeone3000 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

The doctor has already managed to find time for the service - she’s seen you. Potentially even done the procedure. The hospital has made room for you. The resource is already consumed by you, like a restaurant meal. The question is who is picking up the check, when you already have a subscription service paid for.

singleshot_ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

These are actually pretty easy questions as long as you’re not an asshole.

ben-johnson an hour ago | parent [-]

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hdgvhicv an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Every other country seems to solve it

ben-johnson an hour ago | parent [-]

Do they? Which countries have solved it? In Canada, the wait is so long for free specialized procedures that many patients choose euthanasia instead. Can't imagine it's better anywhere else. Which countries have solved it?

nick__m 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I live in Québec, Canada and the longest I had to wait was 3 months for a gallbladder ablation. And my wife, who is on her fourtht year of ribociclib to prevent her spinal metastasis (breast cancer) from coming back, have timely periodical CT-PET and IRM scans.

MAID is popular not because of lack of care but because Québécois values their autonomy and quality of life above being simply alive for the longest time possible.

ben-johnson 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

In the US nobody waits three months for a simple gall bladder ablation. What's crazy is you think that's normal. She has 'timely' scans because they are made months in advance.

nick__m 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

But it was truly not urgent, I would have been ok with waiting 6 months!

And the scans are not scheduled months in advance. We complained that we were only informed of the date and time of the next scan a few days before it... The explanation was that they have a must not be done before and a must be done after dates but the actual scheduling is done just in time so urgent case are prioritized before routine care.

ceejayoz 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

My dermatologist books nine months in advance. My wife’s neurologist books six months out. Long waits are absolutely a thing in the US. A surgery she needed took 18 months to go through.

jghn 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm in the US. I have 4 different appointments that are in 2027 because the relevant specialists book that far out.

kelseyfrog 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If I used my imagination as an epistemic authority, I'd often be wrong. Why not gain knowledge through experience? Visit Canada and report back.

analog31 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wait times in my region are 12-24 months. My "annual" appointments with generalists occur roughly 18 months apart, and usually involve being seen by a PA or NP.

throwway120385 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> In Canada, the wait is so long for free specialized procedures that many patients choose euthanasia instead.

This claim is so outlandish that I'd like to see some sources for it.

ben-johnson 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/some-health-care-workers-...

This is pbs. In Canada they euthanasia an option for healthcare.

BeetleB 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Where in the link does it say they're opting for euthanasia due to long wait times?

ceejayoz 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_suicide_in_the_United...

nonfamous 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Sources do not support claim.

zardo an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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