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HNisCIS 8 hours ago

Will this finally get Signal to stop demanding phone numbers to register accounts?

Lots of services you'd rather have an anonymous account with (Google, Meta, Discord) are partially/fully mandating phone numbers as a spam mitigation strategy. Also this paves the way to internet connections/mobile internet requiring ID

Cider9986 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Signal's requirement for phone numbers has allowed it to surge in popularity by allowing it to take advantage of people's already established contacts. They do this in a privacy respecting way[1].

Simultaneously, Signal is trying to raise the cost of accounts by requiring phone numbers. Although spammers can get mass amounts of phone numbers, it will at least raise the cost. Email 0 cents, phone # 10 cents–there will be less spammers with phone #s.

I don't think we'd have to worry about the spam if people only used usernames instead of phone numbers, because it would be massively harder for spammers to find your account and message you. But, with usernames, you don't get the contact discovery that allows for growth.

[1] https://signal.org:8443/blog/private-contact-discovery/

HNisCIS 6 hours ago | parent [-]

That's all nice but it's also the defacto option for non technical people who need state actor resistant security and if they can just be subpoenaed to get the verified ID of the account holder that defeats the entire use case

Cider9986 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Signal is not an anonymity tool–it is a privacy tool. It is not anonymous in any way. If you need anonymity you should use SimpleX over Tor.

HNisCIS 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Simplex is run by borderline grifters and Tor isn't a messenger.

I don't understand why this is so controversial. If you follow the news on the slightest the game right now is feds raiding journalists, taking their devices and then trying to unmask their sources. It doesn't matter what XYZ is "for", when the stakes are this high we need to be protecting people full stop.