| ▲ | tdeck 5 hours ago |
| The executive compensation is pretty shocking https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/460... |
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| ▲ | blackjack_ 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Actually crazy that Linus just takes home 1.5M per year for one of the largest contributions to tech of anyone in the world. Obviously nobody needs more than that per year, but this pay is 1/100 or 1/1000th of many tech executives that have contributed very little comparatively. |
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| ▲ | tome 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > Obviously nobody needs more than that per year What's the smallest amount you'd say it is obvious that no one needs per year? | |
| ▲ | potamic 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A wealth tax than caps one's inflow to something like a million a year makes a lot of sense. To all the billionaire sympathizers who worry about incentives and technological progress, this here is a perfect (and not the only) example of how intrinsic motivation can beat extrinsic motivation by a huge margin. There will always be people who value intrinsic incentives and even more so when there is a lack or limitation of extrinsic ones. Society will do well to structure itself primarily around such people. Such people are also less likely to cause damage to others because it's very rare that damage to others fulfills one's intrinsic needs. Linus is arguably a net positive to human society than the top 20 billionaires combined. We need more of him and less of the others. | | |
| ▲ | 9753268996433 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Why so greedy? Cap it to $12k/a, the average global personal income. | |
| ▲ | xienze 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > A wealth tax than caps one's inflow to something like a million a year makes a lot of sense. To all the billionaire sympathizers Perhaps the "billionaire sympathizers" are people who can manage to see that the bar for what is considered an unacceptable amount of wealth will keep being revised lower and lower until it affects them. Here you are already proposing that a person shouldn't be allowed to earn more than a total of a million dollars in income every year, which caps one's lifetime wealth accumulation at $40-60M[0]. Which would make anyone able to achieve anywhere close to that sum as wealthy as today's wealthiest persons. After which the next person will suggest that such a thing shouldn't be allowed for the betterment of society. 0: assuming you can start earning that much starting at age 20 and you intend on retiring between 60 to 80, so obviously the range can go up or down a bit. | |
| ▲ | logicchains 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >There will always be people who value intrinsic incentives and even more so when there is a lack or limitation of extrinsic ones. Society will do well to structure itself primarily around such people. Europe has developed no new big companies in the past two decades precisely because this isn't true. The vast majority of successful companies and products are developed by people motivated by money, and if you try to prevent them from being rewarded for their hard work then they just go somewhere where their effort is more welcome. | | |
| ▲ | thomascountz 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Europe has developed no new big companies in the past two decades precisely because this isn't true.
This sounds like an oversimplification and assumes "big" is on par with net good. | |
| ▲ | krior 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That implies that the goal is to create big companiea. | |
| ▲ | lyu07282 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's always wild to me how people perceive Europe. In left-wing academia there is this term "neoliberal encasement" that discusses in detail how neoliberal capitalism isolates the economy from democracy. The EU is sort of the end stage of this idea, economic policy is detached from democratic comtrol to such a degree that member states submit their draft budgets to unelected technocrats in Brussels for approval before "voting" on it. Imagine if IMF economists were to run the economies of a continent, that's what the EU is. It's staggering how completely the opposite of valuing people's intrinsic incentives this model is, but I get where you are coming from of course everybody thinks that, it's just still wild to me how they managed that narrative so well. |
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| ▲ | wmf 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That's the difference between giving your work away for free or not. 100x. | | |
| ▲ | jancsika 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 1st place: $1 million with my work running on billions of devices A Very Distant 2nd place: $100 million and a beautifully framed picture of my masterpiece, The Conjoined Triangles of Success | |
| ▲ | balamatom 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Or maybe the difference between doing work, and controlling humans by convincing them that what they're doing is "work". |
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| ▲ | rmunn 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Obviously nobody needs more than that per year ... You are, of course, in a position to know what everybody on Earth needs. What if someone wants to give $10 million away per year to worthy charities? Will you tell them they can't? Or... what if someone wants to own something you consider wastefully expensive? Is it your job to tell them they shouldn't? Or is it wiser to adopt the position of humility and say "Well, it's their business, not mine, what they spend their money on"? It's easy to be motivated by envy, even when we think we aren't. It's much better for your soul, and your peace of mind, to adopt the "let them" mentality, and not decide what other people, whose lives you know nothing about, need. | | |
| ▲ | apexalpha an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | There is a big difference between 'needs' and 'wants'. I'll defend the argument no one 'needs' more than 1.5 mill per year. I agree with you greed is endless and lots of people want more and will rationalize their hoarding while others, often in their own communities, suffer. | | |
| ▲ | zeroCalories 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | No one really "needs" anything. You can live perfectly well on minimum wage. But really, you could survive perfectly well as a slave. Infact, the world is content for you to die and get nothing. All "need" is "want". All you deserve is what you have leverage for. |
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| ▲ | jdub an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Opponents of obscene wealth/income inequality are typically not motivated by envy – that is your own projection. | | |
| ▲ | zeroCalories 26 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Huh, I've always got the same vibe from socialists about money that I get from incels about women. | | |
| ▲ | jdub 9 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That terrible analogy does not produce a useful mental model on any level. You probably need to read Das Kapital. |
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| ▲ | rmunn 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Interesting vote-to-downvote ratio my comment got. Seems there are a lot more people with anti-libertarian beliefs hanging out at HN at the moment than there are people who lean libertarian. Since it was not my intention to engage in ideological battle (you'll notice I framed it as "good for your soul and peace of mind" rather than make any kind of political argument for it), I'll leave it there and not reply to any of the answers I got. But it was quite enlightening to see how people reacted to that comment. |
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| ▲ | woodruffw 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is it? Percentage-wise, executive compensation appears to be lower than well-regarded technology nonprofits[1][2]. In some sense that's extremely weird, since LF is a trade organization rather than a public-interest nonprofit. Their financiers are huge corporations, not individual donors! (This is the core of the bigger problem with LF, IMO -- they simply don't represent non-corporate OSS interests at all, beyond some lip service.) [1]: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/430... [2]: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/460... |
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| ▲ | andrekandre 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| it does fit the trend... [0] https://www.epi.org/chart/ceopay2019-figure-a-ceo-realized-d... |
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| ▲ | woodruffw 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not to belabor the point, but LF is a 501(c)(6), not a 501(c)(3). They don't behave like your intuition for a public-interest nonprofit because they aren't one. You shouldn't give them your money! | | |
| ▲ | s0ss 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why not? | | |
| ▲ | wolttam 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They get their money from corporate sponsors, because those sponsors benefit greatly from the existence of the Linux ecosystem. They don't need the contributions of individuals to keep going forever and ever. | |
| ▲ | loeg 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's an industry trade association, for the benefit of its members. You aren't one of its members. (I'd suggest spending 60 seconds researching the difference between a 501(c)(3) and 501(c)(6) on wikipedia or whatever.) |
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| ▲ | nextaccountic 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm actually more curious on why a lot of directors receive $0, while others receive almost 1M |
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| ▲ | wmf 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The ones getting paid are probably working full time for LF while the unpaid ones are just on the board and presumably have other jobs. | | | |
| ▲ | bombcar 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Directors sound like the Board, the others are Executive Directors (eg, they do the work). |
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| ▲ | mcv 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Surprised to learn that some guy I used to work with (Gabriele Columbro) is now apparently a very expensive executive director at the Linux Foundation. I had no idea his career took that turn. I think it's the same guy, at least. |
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| ▲ | vkou 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > pretty shocking Shockingly low. Way more people who are doing way less good (many of them are net-negative to society by a very large margin, and we'd all be better off if they stopped going to work) for the world in corporate America make way more money. Shit, a random L7 SWE or some low level manager makes more money than most of these people. |
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| ▲ | pyuser583 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I’m guessing it’s below market rates. Silicon Valley and all. |