yet i still can’t use basic autopilot on the highway because it phantom brakes every 2 hours

aetherspawn an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Autopilot (no longer for sale) is so unsafe I’m surprised there’s no class action for owners to force Tesla to upgrade it to FSD for free.

Especially in right hand drive markets (non US) it’s even worse than Toyota’s radar cruise.

I’ve nearly been killed by it about 5 times because it randomly steers into fences and things. It also randomly fails to change lanes (1 in 100), and then just randomly steers full lock and goes out of control.

Model 3 - Highland

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lotsofpulp an hour ago | parent [-]

Autopilot in my 2024 Model Y never changes lanes. That has always been a feature restricted to “Full” Self Driving. Autopilot is just lane assist and cruise control.

I can’t recall anytime either Autopilot or FSD put me in danger though.

	▲	aetherspawn 43 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		The branding is confusing. I’m talking about the paid version of Autopilot, which was for sale for $5000, sometimes called “Autopilot Plus”. For right hand drive markets, it seems to be a stripped down version of FSD 10 or 11. It automatically changes lanes, takes corners and highway exits, but does not stop at traffic lights. It drives exactly in the middle of the lane, doesn’t shuffle over for trucks, and is easily confused.

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radial_symmetry 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are you on an extremely old version or something? I have had my model Y for 5 years and it only phantom braked once ever.

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	▲	aetherspawn an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Many countries in the world are on a 6+ year old version of Autopilot, yeah..

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ajross an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

So, that's not my experience with current FSD versions. But whatever, sure. Let's accept your data point as measured:

Every... TWO HOURS?! I mean, come on. Put a camera on yourself or another human driver. There's an unexpected braking event at least that often, almost always in a more dangerous situation. The human failure tends to be failing to detect a real obstacle, vs. slowing for a phantom one.

This is just too much. If you don't like it don't use it. But to pretend that stomps-the-brakes-every-few-hours is a stop ship kind of safety bug is quite frankly ridiculous.

	▲	sumeno 44 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		If you are having unexpected braking events every 2 hours you should be paying better attention to your driving. I go months without them
	▲	tzs an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> Every... TWO HOURS?! I mean, come on. Put a camera on yourself or another human driver. There's an unexpected braking event at least that often, almost always in a more dangerous situation Wait...what are counting as an "unexpected braking event"? I can't think of anything I do with brakes that would not be counted as ordinary braking that happens anywhere near as often as every two hours.