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vablings 2 hours ago

The RWD model was only for sale briefly after launch. I don't know why you would ever want a pure RWD electric truck

alexjplant 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

With the weight of the batteries in back it might be fine. The issue with RWD trucks with traditional drivetrains is the lack of traction owing to all of the weight being over the non-drive wheels. Driving my F-150 in the snow or rain was always dicey because of this.

That being said I wouldn't touch a Tesla with a barge pole for reasons numerous.

cogman10 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Batteries and the engine. The engine sits in line with the wheels rather than being under the hood of the car. That puts all the weight right next to the driving tires.

But agree, cybertruck is a really silly purchase for numerous reasons. The only reason you'd buy it is to signal your support for Elon. It's a very bad vehicle.

bluGill an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

2wd is just fine if you keep a load of firewood in back all winter.

kgermino 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't see why it would be an issue in most cases. Obviously you'd want AWD for proper off-roading, but for just driving around on streets it should be fine. My EV van is RWD and it's totally fine in everything I've dealt with - including deep snow - and I really only even noticed when trying to parallel park on ice.

rpdillon 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This has been a question the Slate team has been trying to answer. They claim the weight distribution being more even front-to-back (batteries offsetting motor, I presume), but I don't know whether I believe them. I was interested in a Slate, but the changes at the company lately (new CEO from McKinsey, rather than an engineer), along with decisions like RWD, and the anemic acceleration (0-60 in 8 seconds) gives me pause.

mingus88 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I don’t know how the slate is designed but I have a rivian

The battery pack is by far heavier than the motors. In the r1 they are also positioned with the wheels (quad) or front/back (dual) so weight distribution is great.

If the slate has a single motor and is RWD then I would assume the weight might be biased toward the rear where the drive unit is powering the rear wheels. Either way the motor is relatively small compared to ICE trucks and that’s where you want the weight anyway for a RWD vehicle.

Am I mistaken?

wesleyd an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Oh man, I love that we live in a world where an eight second 0-60 is considered anemic! For a truck!

(Not digging at you, I feel the same way you do. I just think it’s weird and amazing!)

neogodless 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wait until you find out how many gas and diesel powered trucks are RWD!

At least in the U.S. below a certain ~longitude~ latitude it's quite common.

wil421 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Autotrader says there are 246,000 used trucks for sale nationwide with AWD/4WD and 38,000 with rear wheel drive. For new it’s 429,000 AWD/4WD vs 51,000 for rear wheel.

Volume wise it’s of course Texas with Wyoming, Montana, and North Dakota having the largest ownership share.

Tanoc an hour ago | parent [-]

The majority in that statistic are selectable 4WD, which isn't the same as AWD. Pushing the two groups together skews the numbers a bit. Most trucks since the 1970s have been 4WD, ever since companies like Muncie and Borg-Warner started selling axles to Ford and their cohorts. AWD trucks are a relatively new phenomenon, with the first one I can think of being the limited production GMC Syclone in 1989, and it being a truck was an emissions loophole. I think the 2005 Honda Ridgeline was the first real mass produced AWD truck, or perhaps the Subaru Baja from 2003 if you consider that a truck rather than an open deck car. Right now I think only the Ridgeline, Hyundai Santa Cruz, and Ford Maverick are sold as AWD, whereas every other truck is selectable 4WD.

discors 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

    > neogodless: <snip> At least in the U.S. below a certain longitude is quite common.
Latitude.
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neogodless 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I KNEW I was going to get that wrong.

bobthepanda 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The mnemonic i use is latitude is flat.

neogodless 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I usually say to myself "ladder" and that helps. But this time I slipped. Rough morning. Wheels fell off on the way to work.

dec0dedab0de 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I say longitude goes longways, which I know isn't accurate except fairly close to the poles, but I remembered it like that when I was a kid and it stuck.

yread an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Longitude is also twice as long - 360 vs 180 degrees

triceratops an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Latitude is the only one that matters between the two.

rkomorn 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was going to ask if you were making a joke or just too tired to spell mnemonic correctly, but they would've been pneumatic, not pneumonic.

Edit: oh, boo, you fixed it.

bobthepanda an hour ago | parent [-]

Hadn’t had the morning coffee yet.

DangitBobby 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

latitude -> flatitude

mtklein 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I hate to admit it, but the Corona "Change your Latitude" ads are what locked it in for me.

amanaplanacanal 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Ha! Mine is the Jimmy Buffett song.

bobthepanda an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

As they say, if it works it’s not stupid.

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raverbashing 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Easier mnemonic:

Lots of wines advertise their latitude of origin

Longitudes are meaningless for wines

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wat10000 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I probably wouldn't buy a truck, but it's at least a possibility that I'd get one for hauling materials and towing around town. If I did, I'd prefer a RWD model just to save a little money. I find the modern obsession with AWD a bit baffling. AWD doesn't help you stop in bad weather, so it feels like an illusory advantage there. RWD can be "interesting" compared to FWD, but modern traction control on an electric drivetrain should make it a non-issue. (In practice, I can abuse the accelerator on my non-truck RWD Teslas pretty badly without any issues with losing traction.)

cheschire 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

When was the last time you drove on an unplowed road with only rear wheel drive?

Unpowered wheels become uni-directional skis, regardless of their ability to turn left and right.

toast0 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Half of my vehicles are RWD only, and my roads are very rarely plowed. No big deal most of the year...

Of course, when it snows, it's diffferent, but local geography means if it's snowing enough to matter and the plows haven't gotten around, it's not worth it to be driving, regardless of drive configuration.

If driving throw unplowed roads with snow and ice is a regular thing for you, sure. But lots of people never drive in those conditions, so AWD adds weight and complexity that's unnecessary. But people like to be prepared for everything.

AngryData 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Basically never? And I live in a deep rural area 30 minutes from the northern border. Where do you live that you drive through unplowed roads? The only time ive ever wanted AWD or 4WD is once or twice knowingly risking getting stuck by pulling off of people's driveway onto their lawn.

wat10000 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A few months ago when it snowed last time.

I used to occasionally drive a V8 with no traction control in Wisconsin winters. It was fine, just took a little care. A modern electric drivetrain is about a million times better.

Unpowered wheels still steer just fine. AWD certainly does better. But I'd rather be cautious and take it slow anyway.

dec0dedab0de 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've never driven an AWD, but having a 4x4 in a snow storm is wonderful. Waking up and driving through the pile of snow from the plow to go to wawa before I even think about shoveling is an absolute luxury. Plus, driving on the beach is pretty fun too.

sunshinesnacks 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> AWD doesn't help you stop in bad weather

I frequently think about this when weather gets bad! I already have AWB (all wheel braking?). Seems like AWD could make it too easy to get in a situation where my AWB isn’t sufficient to stop

saalweachter an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Snow tires, people! Snow tires!

A FWD vehicle with snow tires is frequently better in the snow than an AWD without snow tires. Better control, better stopping, better uphill on snowy roads.

mingus88 an hour ago | parent [-]

Yep

All cars are “all wheel stop”

All wheel drive doesn’t matter when you lose traction and need to stop. When you are sliding on ice all cars perform the same, and the quality of your tires is what matters. AWD just gives people false confidence to drive faster than they can stop.

I convinced my wife to stop buying the absolute cheapest tires by telling her it is literally the only part of the car that actually touches the road. Why would you cheap out on that?

dghlsakjg an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Yup. Growing up in Colorado you realize that AWD is frequently the cause of the trouble in bad weather rather than the solution.

creaturemachine 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You get better regenerative braking performance out of FWD or AWD. Since typically the front brakes do most of the work, it makes sense to have that energy go into the motor rather than friction braking.

kgermino 2 hours ago | parent [-]

That's true, but if you stay in the regenerative zone it doesn't (seem to) make that much of a difference in practice.

All the braking power happens in the rear if you only brake the rear wheels

mohamedkoubaa 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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