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Principles for agent-native CLIs(twitter.com)
41 points by blumpy22 5 hours ago | 22 comments
peterldowns 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

This is really good, particularly the async tasks part. Hadn't thought about that. We'll be thinking about these lessons for the next version of our agent CLI.

wolttam 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Getting agents used to using `--force` to bypass prompts seems like a bad idea. `--force` is for when the action failed (or would fail) for some reason and you want it to definitely happen this time.

I think `--yes` or `--yes-do-the-dangerous-thing` is leagues better.

tekacs 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It also in the case of an LLM can bias it towards using that sort of flag more commonly, which is less than ideal when it then uses a more ordinary Unix command that uses that to mean something dangerous.

ihsw 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

`--non-interactive` has precedent too.

rahimnathwani an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This guy took inspiration from gog cli (steipete's cli for Google Workspace, which predates gws cli and is apparently more agent-friendly and token-efficient):

https://github.com/mvanhorn/cli-printing-press

He made a whole bunch of agent-friendly CLIs: https://printingpress.dev/

https://github.com/mvanhorn/printing-press-library/tree/main...

tfrancisl 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I dont want "agent-native CLIs" to proliferate because I'd rather we design CLIs for human use and programmatic (automation) use first. Agents are good at vomiting json between tool calls, I am not, and never will be.

Too many tools stray so wildly from UNIX principles. If we design for agents first we will likely see more and more of this.

theshrike79 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The point IMO in "agent-native CLIs" is to make them match the statistical average.

Let the Agent use the CLI and if it guesses the wrong option, you make that the RIGHT option.

Every time it doesn't guess something right, you change it.

pmontra an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I would naively suppose that the agent is able to read the man page or run the help command of the tool. They usually contain plenty of information. But bending the tool to suit the agent has some value. The GNU-AI suite of userland tools? Unfortunately it's possible that every model will settle on a different average. If that's the case we can't bend to every model. Models will have to bend to whatever we want to use.

theshrike79 an hour ago | parent [-]

Of course it can read the man page and run cmd --help.

Now you've wasted context on, what? Learning how to use the tool. And it will waste context on it every single time. (You can write skills to mitigate this a bit, but still).

The alternative is to make the tool work as the user (an LLM in this case) expects it to work, without having to resort to the manual.

tfrancisl an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Let the Agent use the CLI and if it guesses the wrong option, you make that the RIGHT option

This sounds backwards and presumes that the statistics machines which are LLMs are getting it right when they "average" out to the wrong command. No, fix the agents behavior, dont change the CLI to accommodate it.

alchemist1e9 an hour ago | parent [-]

I don’t remember exactly the specific examples off the top of my head (some are definitely ffmpeg commands) but I do know that when LLMs keep hallucinating command line flags that don’t exist for that specific command their “suggestion” is actually very reasonable and so many developers are adding support to their tools for common hallucinations.

tfrancisl an hour ago | parent [-]

Not to belabor my point, but I think "adding support to tools for common hallucinations" is a bad idea. Sounds like something a vibecoded project being spammed with issues by agents might do. Not so much a serious, mature project, though.

alchemist1e9 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

Well we will have to agree to disagree because my understanding of what has been generally the case is that the LLMs might vibe-coding spam, that’s true, but the interesting difference is generally speaking their “suggestions” are very reasonable and represent in hindsight useful changes that make the commands more useful for everyone, humans included.

alchemist1e9 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s also likely that agents would also be better if they didn’t deal with json vomit either. I’m optimistic that agent frameworks will eventually come full circle and realize concise teletype linear CLIs aka old school UNIX is actually very effective and efficient for agents as well as humans!

debarshri 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think every CLI is agent native when invoked from claude or any coding agents.

I was really suprised today. We at adaptive [1], is an access management platform to access psql, mysql, vms, k8s etc. When you use `adaptive connect <db-name>` it would connect create just-in-time tunnel and connect the user to the database. You cannot do traditional psql operation etc. That design is by choice.

Today I was trying to invoke it via claude, and, god damn, it found a way to connect. It create a pseudo shell in python, pass the queries and treat our cli like a tool. This would have been humanly not possible. Partly because, you would like about risks, good practice/bad practice, would be scared to execute and write code like that, and it just did it and acheived the goal.

[1] https://adaptive.live

jiehong 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This reminds me that agents sometimes really like heredoc in shells, and waste tokens retrying with a file.

isityettime 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I broadly agree with the article. But I think it's wrong about the failures of past command-line interface design. The author writes:

> There's a deeper assumption underneath all of it. The classic Command Line Interface Guidelines treat a human at a terminal as the primary user, with agents as a tolerated secondary audience. That's no longer the right default. Cloudflare puts it directly in their post: "Increasingly, agents are the primary customer of our APIs." Their whole schema approach is built around that. HeyGen launched their CLI with "agent" in the marketing copy. Design for agents first, and humans benefit. Designing for humans first and bolting on agent support is what produces the inconsistent, prompt-prone, stdout-only CLIs the first five principles exist to correct.

I don't think that's true at all. If you're someone who has lived in the terminal for a few years, you will have a sense of taste that naturally leads you to do the right thing. If you've used Git and systemctl and you know why p7zip feels alien on Unix and you have cursed a command where `-h` doesn't mean help, nobody needs to tell you basically any of this. If you've ever met jq, you don't need anyone to tell you that `--json` is a very valuable thing to have. You also don't need anyone to tell you what a uniform hierarchy of flags and options with different scopes should look like; if you've used a program that uses subcommands, even a shitty one, you know what a good one should look like.

When command-line tools (or inconsistent collections thereof) are difficult for AI in the ways the article describes, it's because they're shit. When command-line tools are shit, it's because nobody is taking the design of those interfaces seriously at all, typically some combination of:

  - the interface isn't "designed" at all, it's just naively evolved.
  - you're leaving writing a CLI tool to someone who tolerates the command-line but doesn't live in it
  - the object is treated as only a human/interactive interface or only a programming interface when in fact it's always both
  - your suite of tools has diffuse ownership and nobody thinks command-line interfaces are important enough to have standards for
If you treat a GUI as unseriously as that, it invariably turns to a pile of shit, too!

Anybody who ought to be writing one has already internalized all the right norms. Most of it comes for free from living in the shell. Put one person in charge and it'll be uniform. If you can't, writing a style guide and enforcing it with linters and tests is a great idea. But this is just taking command-line interfaces seriously as interfaces. It has pretty much nothing to do with AI except at the edges (e.g., json-flavored companion to --help).

sandermvanvliet 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is it me or are all these articles about using AI effectively and building for AI just, you know, things that we should have been doing all along?

It feels like most of the “rules” are “don’t be an ass to your consumer”.

tom_ 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Doing stuff for other people: generally low-status work, to one degree or another

Doing stuff for the machine: the behaviour of a pragmatic, nuanced builder. A forward-thinking agentic AI pioneer, executing and shipping at the unexplored boundary of modes of human creativity #building #shipping #executing

bensyverson 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Partially, but I think if you design for agents, their needs are different enough from a human's that you end up making different choices.

I found myself nodding along to the linked tweet/article. Recently I did many rounds of iterative user-centered design with an agent to improve the CLI interface in Jobs [0], a task manager for LLMs. The resulting CLI follows most of these principles.

One great idea from the tweet that I will be adding: a `feedback` subcommand, for the agent to capture feedback while they work.

[0]: https://github.com/bensyverson/jobs

walski 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Definitively super human ultra intelligence by the end of Q4!!!!11 Also not able to use tools, which are not explicitly built for machine consumption.

ChrisArchitect 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Non-x link: https://trevinsays.com/p/10-principles-for-agent-native-clis