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| ▲ | utdoctor 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Regardless of where you fall on the vaccine “debate”, it’s pretty obvious leadership across the board (government agencies, international bodies, etc.) completely bungled the messaging around COVID and the efficacy of the vaccine (stating you will not catch COVID if you get the vaccine, which is not true at all). Between that and going back and forth on the efficacy of masks amongst other things, a lot of faith in these kinds of institutions was eroded. | | |
| ▲ | MyHonestOpinon 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't remember every hearing from a reputable source that the vaccine would be 100% effective. And masking was a good idea at the time regardless of effectiveness. At least to me, it was preferable to err on the side of being over cautious than risking a really, really bad outcome. I feel that the water was muddied by many "influencers" just trying to get views and people lack common sense to understand the subtleties on the messaging and as soon as they see some contradiction they declare that you cannot trust doctors. | | |
| ▲ | utdoctor 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The CDC director said so herself: “Our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick,” Walensky said on MSNBC last weekend, adding “that is not just in the clinical trials, but it’s also in real world data.” Source: https://nationalpost.com/news/world/backlash-and-reversal-af... | | |
| ▲ | muwtyhg an hour ago | parent [-] | | Literally two paragraphs before your quoted text: > Dr. Walensky spoke broadly ... “It’s possible that some people who are fully vaccinated could get COVID-19. The evidence isn’t clear whether they can spread the virus to others.” Seems like they arn't saying you cannot get it, but that you are LESS LIKELY to spread it. Which, if Covid was spread via coughing/sneezing, and the vaccine reduces those symptoms, would be a logical next step. She also hedged multiple times, stating that this is just what the initial data is saying, and not a full-throated promise. |
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| ▲ | eudamoniac an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | "You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations": Biden made this statement during a CNN town hall on July 21, 2021 He also stated that vaccinated people would not be hospitalized, end up in intensive care, or die. In December 2021, he suggested that vaccinated people "do not spread the disease to anyone else." Now please do not claim that the US president is not a reputable source. |
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| ▲ | eudamoniac an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | "always known and out in the open" ? I was banned sitewide from Reddit and Twitter for claiming that. | |
| ▲ | negzero7 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The problem is that the leaders told us that if you got the vaccine you would be immune and not get COVID. The performances of the politicians and medical professionals mandating masking and then seeing them only putting them on right before they went on stage, and continuing to do all of the things the "common" folk weren't allowed to do ruined all of the their credibility. Of course people are going to question all of the recommendations from experts after that. | | |
| ▲ | suzzer99 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The problem is that the leaders told us that if you got the vaccine you would be immune and not get COVID. That's a straw man. Nobody in authority said this once the vaccine was out and it was obvious that immunity wasn't 100% or permanent. All vaccines are different. No one knew until it came out what category this vaccine would fall into. You can still get measles after getting the measles vaccine. But you're much much less likely to die from it. What the vaccine did do is greatly reduce the severity of the disease, which saved countless lives. See Wuhan, Northern Italy or NYC before lockdown. If the vaccine didn't work, as soon as lockdown ended, the hospitals would have filled to over capacity like they were in those places in the early days. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I do recall some politicians being, at the very least, imprecise on that issue. But I note that the "a politician was wrong once, therefore vaccines can't be trusted" folks don't tend to extend that theory to things like "tax cuts cause economic booms" or "abstinence only sex ed is super effective" sort of statements that have repeatedly flopped in tests. | |
| ▲ | negzero7 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Here's a compilation of repeated talking points during COVID. https://x.com/Martyupnorth_/status/1471694954002980866?s=20 | | |
| ▲ | suzzer99 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | No one's going to watch your dubiously-sourced video. Send some links of people in authority claiming the vaccine offers 100% immunity to covid. | | |
| ▲ | suzzer99 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | (Responding to the reply below) Yeah okay she spoke out of turn very early after the vaccine was out for a short time. The CDC sucked a lot through this, especially when they refused to recommend masks. But you notice pretty much all of her own underlings are immediately refuting her. To cling to "They told us you wouldn't get covid" when 99% of the people in authority were not saying that, and the few who might have said it were quickly corrected, is disingenuous imo. The CDC kind of sucks to be honest, and it sure isn't better with the current leadership. But it doesn't mean they're wrong on everything. And the CDC's suckiness is a flimsy excuse to just believe anyone on youtube, regardless of scientific evidence. | |
| ▲ | utdoctor 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | “Our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick,” Walensky said on MSNBC last weekend, adding “that is not just in the clinical trials, but it’s also in real world data.” https://nationalpost.com/news/world/backlash-and-reversal-af... |
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| ▲ | brendoelfrendo 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There's two categories of people here, though. Politicians advocating for one thing and then doing another are not medical professionals advocating for people to get a COVID vaccine. You shouldn't look at what politicians are doing and then decide you trust doctors less. |
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| ▲ | baggy_trough 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's less the details of the covid shot, and more the willingness of the public health authorities to lie and to manipulate policies for their political ends, even if detrimental to health. | | |
| ▲ | suzzer99 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Exactly what lies from public health authorities are you talking about? | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | One prominent example would be Surgeon General Jerome Adams's public comments that masks don't work early on. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-n95-fa... (Which apparently stemmed from concern of shortages, but was a seriously bad way to address that.) | | |
| ▲ | suzzer99 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | The masks thing is 100% accurate. The CDC and WHO kept insisting Covid was being spread by fomites on surfaces long after it was obvious the virus was airborne. They did this because there was already a mask shortage and whatever other political reasons. It was wrong and it eroded confidence. Personally I'll never put a lot of stock in anything they come out with again w/o getting it verified by other sources I trust who know how to interpret medical literature. The ironic thing is the anti-vaxx wellness community never jumps on the CDC being wrong on masks, because they don't believe in masks either. |
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| ▲ | wakawaka28 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | brendoelfrendo 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Look, if you think you need a vaccine and trust the people who made it, then you should be free to take it. I'm not free to take it, anymore. As you said, it's been taken off the market for most people. > Fuck shunning people for not doing something to their bodies because they don't consider the benefits "obvious" or sufficient. No, I like shunning people who are wrong and dumb. | | |
| ▲ | wakawaka28 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | >I'm not free to take it, anymore. As you said, it's been taken off the market for most people. Well, I meant that you should be free to take it if there is a reasonable argument that taking it is better than not taking it. There are multiple reasons why it isn't offered anymore. >No, I like shunning people who are wrong and dumb. People who refused the vaccine are not wrong or dumb. It is too laborious to explain it to you though. I think no matter how much I explain or provide contrary evidence, your mind is made up. What happened to "My body, my choice"? Do you seriously think that people would refuse the vaccine if the benefits were so overwhelming? If the virus and the vaccine were what they said, you wouldn't need to try to mandate shit. You'd have to break up fights as people fell all over each other to get the damn vaccine. | | |
| ▲ | brendoelfrendo 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Well, I meant that you should be free to take it if there is a reasonable argument that taking it is better than not taking it. Yeah, limiting the impact and effects of a COVID infection is a compelling and reasonable argument to me. I'd like my booster shot, please. > What happened to "My body, my choice"? It is your choice. I can and will mock you for your choice if your reasoning doesn't hold up to scrutiny. > Do you seriously think that people would refuse the vaccine if the benefits were so overwhelming? Yes, anti-vaxers are inherently irrational. Overwhelming benefits do not change their opinion because being anti-vaccine is a core part of their identity. | | |
| ▲ | wakawaka28 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Yes, anti-vaxers are inherently irrational. Overwhelming benefits do not change their opinion because being anti-vaccine is a core part of their identity. There are people like this but you can say the same about anything. Pro-pharma vax promoters definitely make "trust the science, don't do research or question anything from authorities" part of their identity too. |
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