| When Google stuffs AI into everything, people shrug. Can't expect anything else from big tech. When Firefox does it, it sparks outrage across the internet, with entire forums filled with people vowing to leave Firefox forever and switching to something like Waterfor or Ilp/Zorp/Floop instead. As a result, searching for experiences other people had with Firefox makes it sound like hell on earth, while people have little more to say about Chrome other than "Google gonna Google, but it's fast at least". |
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| ▲ | expedition32 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Mozilla is nice enough to let you opt out. I'm in my 40s I have no desire for this new technology unless we get the kind of AI from Japanese anime. | | |
| ▲ | ElFitz 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Offering something like a local Gemma 4 (though apparently not what we get here) to web apps via a browser API could change UX quite drastically. Possibly for the better. We had a project where it could have been nice. |
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| ▲ | notabotiswear 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I, being a Firefox user with practically zero Chromium use, would air my grievances when the Mozilla does something I disagree with more than I would when Google does. And I would expect that most Firefox users are of the kind who have strong opinions about how their computers work. You wouldn’t throw the same fit if [insert dictator you don’t have high expectations of here] shot a hundred random civilians compared to if your government did, no? | |
| ▲ | nalekberov 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > When Google stuffs AI into everything, people shrug. Can't expect anything else from big tech. Because this is something expected from Google. Google has never committed to security, but Mozilla did. EDIT: I meant privacy, not security. | | |
| ▲ | The_Rob 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Google has invested significantly in security. I believe you are referring to privacy? | | |
| ▲ | dspillett 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This is a significant point. To many people security includes privacy, which is a fair assumption: in a non-evil timeline user privacy will be one of the first-class components high on the priority list for being secured. Unfortunately companies and the people high up running them only care about their own privacy¹, everyone else is expected to be grateful that we are being stalked so we can be targetted for sales purposes. -------- [1] Follow one of them around the way they track us online, or let out a bit of information about, for example, their tax affairs, and see how fast lawyers or law enforcement arrive on your doorstep… | |
| ▲ | CalRobert 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Having rock-solid security for quietly transferring all of your deeply personal and private data to Google feels like a win for the pedants, but a loss for everyone else. | |
| ▲ | nalekberov 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Oh, you right, thanks for pointing this out. Indeed, I referred to privacy. |
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| ▲ | jeroenhd 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Google has invested massively into security. On various platforms (non-Chromium Linux excluded), Google Chrome uses advanced defence-in-depth that make Chrome much more secure than Firefox on the same machine. Their origin-based process separation make Chrome a memory hog but protect tab processes from each other in a way Firefox doesn't bother with just yet. Chrome may be a privacy nightmare, but in terms of security it beats Mozilla. |
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| ▲ | 3form 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Or simply they haven't heard much about it at all, don't care, and chalk it up to OP being some sort of an odd hipster. Man, so many things could be better if people cared. | |
| ▲ | avazhi 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I’ve been using Firefox for 20+ years and continue to do so, but let’s not pretend that Firefox hasn’t been an embarrassing shit show for most of the past 15. | | |
| ▲ | iammrpayments 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 10x better than safari and it won’t consume all my RAM like google, so not sure it you’re just repeating what you heard or if you mean what you said | | |
| ▲ | al_borland 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I’ve been a Safari user for over 20 years. Every year or so I go on a journey to switch to something else. I’ve use Firefox (LibreWolf, IceWeasle, etc), Chrome (Edge, Arc, etc), Camino, OmniWeb, Orion, Opera (I was primarily an Opera user before Safari), and more. At work I use Edge for weird corporate reasons that I’m not thrilled about. I always end up coming back to Safari for personal use. It seems to do the best job getting out of my way. I am annoyed by how Safari now handles browser extensions. I’d like them to take a page out of Orion’s book and support both Firefox and Chrome extensions. However, I generally have very few extensions, as they tend to slow things down, so this has been a relatively minor issue. The main things I’ve wanted extensions for in other browsers (like word lookup) have come out of the box in Safari (or Apple platforms as a whole) for quite a long time. | |
| ▲ | kergonath an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > 10x better than safari and it won’t consume all my RAM like google Using the 3 regularly, no, Firefox is not "10 times better than Safari". Though, yes, Chrome(ium) is a ressource hog. |
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| ▲ | DarkUranium 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'd recommend checking out WaterFox. It's what I switched to when I finally got sick & tired of Mozilla's shit. | | |
| ▲ | 4ggr0 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | i really feel like trying this out as a quasi-firefox user, but i've really started to love and appreciate Zen for its UI :( wonder if there's a Waterfox X Zen alternative. EDIT: whoops, should've scrolled down a bit on the website, looks like Waterfox has vertical tabs as well. damn, probably going to try to migrate to it sometime soon... EDIT2: of course supports firefox extensions as well, perfect. | | |
| ▲ | Fnoord an hour ago | parent [-] | | Firefox has vertical tabs as well, and it is a lot less bloated that the extension one I was using. |
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| ▲ | glenstein 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | People keep saying this like it's just conventional wisdom we all supposedly agree with. I think it's a string of tech articles and spiraling comment sections searching for drama that's kind of been a self-perpetuating phenomenon over the past 3 or 4 years the majority of which I think has been extremely unfair and mostly just based on vibes. If you actually scroll through HN and read the criticisms, they tend to trail off into vague phrases like "all the stuff they've been doing". If people read the release notes instead of the comment sections, not only would they have a lot more specific knowledge of the work going into the browser but they wouldn't be locked in this cycle of outrage and escalation that normally you only see in YouTube comment sections. | |
| ▲ | tgv 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ok, then. What shitshow? Does it not pale in comparison to Chrome and Edge? |
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| ▲ | eastbound 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If Mozilla fired its CEO for a private political donation from 10 years earlier, it will not hesitate to do much worse to its users. Mozilla isn’t on the good side here. He’s the founder of Brave, by the way. | | |
| ▲ | b40d-48b2-979e 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | He’s the founder of Brave, by the way.
You mean that Chrome browser re-skin that mines crypto without your consent? a private political donation from 10 years earlier
Yeah, he was only a bigot 10 years ago! I'm sure it's changed now. | | |
| ▲ | carlivar an hour ago | parent [-] | | 16-18 years ago. Is bigotry always a permanent condition? | | |
| ▲ | b40d-48b2-979e an hour ago | parent [-] | | At that time, it was 10 years ago, which is what I was responding to. Is bigotry always a permanent condition?
Yes, people famously change more as they get older. Eich was already a man in his 40s at that point in time. He also doubled-down instead of acknowledging any wrongdoing. |
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| ▲ | CalRobert 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The more time goes on the more I feel like I live on a different planet. Even things like "shouldn't you be able to decide what software you run on the stuff you own?" gets blank stares. | | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Hello fellow extraterrestrial | | |
| ▲ | Schlagbohrer 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Old heads checking in... Back in my day, we had an exposed file hierarchy and we liked it! | | |
| ▲ | CalRobert 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I still remember "oh my friend's iphone has a nice camera, how can I send myself that picture he took with bluetooth?" and being... a bit surprised that it wasn't really possible. |
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| ▲ | DarkUranium 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean ... frankly, and I say this as a guy who's used solely Firefox since before it was Firefox all the way until 2025 when I finally got sick & tired of their shit... (now on WaterFox because I refuse to submit to the Google browser monopoly) ... Mozilla absolutely did this to themselves. Come think of it, they really remind me of what Microsift's been doing with Windows. | | |
| ▲ | seszett 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I still don't understand what problem you guys have with Firefox. I really don't, and comments like yours are always very vague and seem to assume that it's obvious. For me Firefox is (slightly) better than is used to be, not by a wide margin but it's not gotten worse either. I've been running it since it was Phoenix so I think my experience is at least somewhat valid, which is why I'm so confused by these comments. | | |
| ▲ | phs318u 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You’re not alone. Been a user for years and I still don’t get the hate. Having said that, I keep a copy of Ungoogled Chromium for those websites that refuse to test against FF. |
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| ▲ | TonyStr 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Could you list some of the major grievances you have with Firefox? I haven't been following the news very closely |
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