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| ▲ | bluehex 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I use Firefox as my main browser but occasionally run into Chrome requirements for certain web apps so end up begrudgingly installing it. I'm in the habit of going straight to the chrome flags page and turning off all this junk exactly because disk usage of chrome is ridiculous otherwise. |
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| ▲ | 0xEF 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I did the same thing, but realized I was contributing to the problem. If a web app requires Chrome for full functionality, then us switching browsers is giving them permission to continue and expand their invasive practices. These days, I just navigate away from anything that demands I use Chrome "for best results." One of the sites for a local utility company does this, so instead I just call monthly and pay or manage my service by phone. I'm old enough to remember when that was the preferred way after mailing personal cheques went the way of the dodo, so it does not feel that inconvenient to me, but I can see where it might for other people. Still, nobody said the fight to regaining our agency online would be easy. Or convenient. | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What's another 4gb of disk space when computer hardware prices are soaring into unobtanium? I hate how much companies don't care about efficiency or their customers. It's like windows 11 requiring like 2 more GB of RAM just to see your desktop, what an upgrade, yuck. | |
| ▲ | Hamuko 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Like what? I think the only time I've ever had to use Chrome instead of Firefox was because of some USB device thing that worked inside Chrome. Otherwise everything just works in Firefox. | | |
| ▲ | Y-bar 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The sites my colleagues and I produce. They consider Chrome === Standard and everything else a deviation for which they may begrudgingly fix obvious bugs in once pressed. It's seldom that entire sites will break in other browsers, but instead they simply do not work in some ways like modals sometimes breaking, or XHR requests failing, or performance being bad. It's frustrating. |
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| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yea. Anyone still using chrome at this point must really love getting emails about class action lawsuits from Google. My god. |
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| ▲ | lmf4lol 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I am using Firefox for years now. It's such a splendid experience. I can recommend the following extensions: - Youtube Enhancer - DuckDuckGo Privacy Essentials - Cookie Auto Decline (a MUST for Europeans) - Slop Evader - No Gender (a MUST for Germans) Its a totally different browsing experience than what most people have. I recently watched my kiddo looking something up with Edge on her laptop. I had to interfere and install Firefox. It was ridicolous!!! The amount of spam on the screen. How people can cope with this is beyond me. Especially if the solution doesn't cost anything. Just Firefox + some free extensions. edit: because people asked about the No Gender extension: Germany didn't have “gendered” language, until it was introduced some years ago. Imagine the sentence: The teachers explain to their pupiles that the managers work only for the shareholders. in regular German, it would translate to: Die Lehrer erklärten den Schülern, dass die Manager ausschliesslich für die Anteilhaber arbeiten. In gendered German, it became: Die Lehrer:innen erklärten den Schüler:innen, dass die Manager:innen ausschliesslich für die Anteilhaber:innen arbeiten. For me, it ruins the reading experience. |
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| ▲ | MaKey 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | For me the most important extension is uBlock Origin. It's worth switching to Firefox for this alone. | | |
| ▲ | onemoresoop 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Without your ublock origin browsing the net is quite horrible these days | | |
| ▲ | FridayoLeary 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Youtube is virtually unwatchable without it. I honestly have no idea how most people cope. Truth is, even with an adblocker there's so much rubbish on the page that gets in my way. Invidous is much better but it's too unreliable. Sites that autoplay a video, which follows you as you scroll are the worst. | | |
| ▲ | MaKey 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I like the Unhooked extension. You can select which parts of YouTube you want to remove (e. g. Shorts). My start page is empty, I need to visit the channel pages to watch their videos. |
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| ▲ | freedomben 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Or for real control, uMatrix (yes there are madmen like me still stubbornly hanging on) | |
| ▲ | yubblegum 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | that + NoScript. That latter is a must for me. |
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| ▲ | qsera 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Firefox added split view where you can look at two (or more) webpages side by side. This is a lifesaver when you have to fill up a form looking up stuff from another page! | | |
| ▲ | echoangle 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Isn’t this kind of the job of the OS windowing system? It’s maybe slightly nicer to share the window chrome for two tabs but it’s not like looking at two browser tabs in parallel was impossible before. | | |
| ▲ | Cthulhu_ 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, and both Windows and MacOS have features to put things side by side... but they're not very intuitive and may require multiple inputs to achieve what the browser(s) do with one or two presses. On MacOS you have to long-press the "maximize" button, for example. I forgot that was a thing before reading this actually, but then I use the third-party tool Rectangle for window management. | |
| ▲ | qsera 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sure, but this is a lot nicer because when they are separate windows, and you have more windows, and if you have to alt-tab to check something else, it is a bit flow-breaking to bring these exact two windows back on top. | |
| ▲ | yazantapuz 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes, but they are grouped under one single tab, so for me at least is more easy to alt-tab to other app and return to the split view. |
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| ▲ | ButlerianJihad 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Chrome does this split-screen. Web browsers are operating systems, for all intents & purposes. Ask any Emacs evangelist. | | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I love my emacs brothers and sisters but yea. If you are running docker emacs and a web browser you basically have 4 OSs running at the same time |
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| ▲ | tomtomtom777 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Can you explain what the "No Gender" extension is about and why it is a must? | | |
| ▲ | MaKey 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It removes gender speech (Leser*innen becomes Leser), which can be awkward and hurt the reading flow. | | |
| ▲ | mmyrte 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It seems like you would lose meaning by automatically replacing words, no? Why would you want to censor your internet experience, just because you find someone else's use of language awkward? | | |
| ▲ | MaKey 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's still the same word, just as generic masculine. Gender speech isn't part of the German language but an add-on with no standardization (that's why there are multiple different approaches). Apart from looking awkward one of the main criticisms is that it hurts the reading flow. Following that point the extension improves the reading experience. | | |
| ▲ | mofeien 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | To prevent accusations of "masculinism" or sexism and to have a stronger case on having the goal to improve readability the add-on could include an option (or even make it default) to replace by generic feminine instead. | | |
| ▲ | MaKey 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The times where you have to try to appease small but vocal perpetually outraged groups are over. The German language has no generic feminine so adding it to the extension would contradict its goal. | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The times where you have to try to appease small but vocal perpetually outraged groups are over. Zwei Punkte: erstens, nein, such times are never over. Only thing that changes is who is outraged and by what. Zweitens, you're a demonstration of this right now by caring. To be clear, I'm not criticising you for this, you're allowed to care about stuff, but you're literally promoting an extension that rewrites someone else's word choice because you don't like it. Es ist dasselbe, und ist gründlich no different to how English Sprachbewahrer complain about the split infinitive in Star Trek's "to boldly go" or common use of the phrase "very unique" (unique means one-of-a-kind, how can you be "very" that?) > The German language has no generic feminine so adding it to the extension would contradict its goal. Die deutsche Sprache ist keine constructed language like Esperanto, whose rules come from a book, it's a natural language whose rules are discovered by observing those using it. As people change what they say and how they say it, so too does language change over time. The German language is what those using it, do. On the basis of the political adverts I see around here, this includes the conservative CDU borrowing die englische Phrase „Made in Germany“: https://www.cdu.de/aktuelles/cdu-deutschlands/mainzer-erklae... | |
| ▲ | mofeien 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The goal as stated on the extension page is to improve the readability of texts by replacing :, *, _ forms. So some customizability to the user's wishes would be quite nice. My calculus textbook (Königsberger, 2004) in university used alternating generic masculine and feminine in its exercises, which I found a delightful use of language. |
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| ▲ | lmf4lol 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Germany didn't have “gendered” language, until it was introduced some years ago. It’s a terrible reading experience and super annoying. Imagine the sentence: The teachers explain to their pupiles that the managers work only for the shareholders. it was Die Lehrer erklärten den Schülern, dass die Manager ausschliesslich für die Anteilhaber arbeiten. and it became: Die Lehrer:innen erklärten den Schüler:innen, dass die Manager:innen ausschliesslich für die Anteilhaber:innen arbeiten. It’s insane. | | |
| ▲ | mmyrte 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Forgive my ignorance, but it seems that there is more information in the "explicitly inclusive" form than the "implicitly inclusive" one. Doesn't the existence of the inclusive form allow you to explicitly use a non-inclusive form? So in this case Lehrer being explicitly male
and Lehrer:innen being explicitly inclusive? I appreciate that this seems to be an emotional topic, but if people choose to use language in a new way, would it not be best to not withhold that information from you as a reader? Someone else wrote that it's like using an ad-blocker, but if I were to read an article, I would want to read it in the exact form someone wrote it, no? It's a bit like Americans auto-replacing "fucking" with "f***g" in their browsers to avoid an annoyance, but they lose information in the process. | | |
| ▲ | lmf4lol 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | As a German, you don’t really loose any information. it was introduced somewhere in the 2020s and is not (yet) standardized - and probably wont be. We Germans know that the generic masculine includes both genders by default. It’s how we use the language. |
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| ▲ | pjc50 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | When was it introduced and why? It seems in the opposite direction of travel from many languages, which have been trying to make more gender neutral options available. (exception: Chinese didn't really bother with gendered pronouns until about the nineteenth century, due to the need to translate European languages, so some had to be introduced) | | |
| ▲ | lmf4lol 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | German feminist are looking for a long time to eliminate the generic masculine form. But unlike English, which allows you to use they/them to refer to both genders - and which i kind of like - German doesnt have such an option. So since my youth, multiple proposal have been put forward, among which the gender-star. Lehrer -> Lehrer*innen, Lehrer:innen. It was never taken seriously, until we got a left wing government (2022 or so) and since then its getting more and more used. Especially in progressive media. Some even speak it. With a short break that represents the star or :. Sounds pretty stupid, but people do it. In my mind, its the ultimate form of virtue signalling :-) but hey. to each their own. I just prefer to ignore it if possible | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It was definitely introduced before that point, I saw people complaining about it back in 2018 when I arrived in the country. |
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| ▲ | bmn__ 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | People use the extension for the same reason people use other content blockers against advertisement, notices banners, social media widgets and so on, namely not to suffer avoidable annoyances. > you would lose meaning No meaning is lost that has not been there before. > someone else's use of language awkward Most would judge that it's not just awkward, but grating. |
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| ▲ | lmf4lol 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I edited my comment to include an answer to your question. | |
| ▲ | mft_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'd like to know too. I struggled to understand the description of the extension - is it an anti-woke thing, or some sort of modern approach to German removing the traditional (i.e. non-political) genderisation of some words, or both, or something else? | | |
| ▲ | MaKey 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Example: Reader In German: Leser (masculine) Possible forms of inclusive speech: Leser*innen, Leser:in, Leser_innen This extension removes these possible forms of inclusive speech. Arguably they hurt the reading flow and the German language has the generic masculine. However, proponents of inclusive speech feel that the generic masculine isn't inclusive. | |
| ▲ | input_sh 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A bit of both? Imagine every time you read the word "actor", it is instead spelled something like "actor:ress", or "actor_ress", or "actor*ress" (because the separator hasn't been standardised). Personally I'm in favour of it, but I will concede that if it's done enough times throughout the text (as German has way more gendered nouns in common use than English) it does come with the downside of breaking the reading flow. | |
| ▲ | plucas 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The first. In German, many words that refer to a person (e.g. Fahrer/Fahrerin, male/female driver) have a plural which is identical to the male singular. For a while now, many writers have used a typographic style to make the plural gender-neutral by writing the male plural, an asterisk, and then the female plural suffix (e.g. Fahrer*innen). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_star | | |
| ▲ | mft_ 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Thanks - that's really interesting, in a weird-interesting way. I'm far from an expert in such things, but I'd observed that the approach in English to gendered words (actor vs. actress) seemed to be, over time, to drift towards calling everyone an actor - as a neutral term, to avoid treating women differently, rather than a male term per se. In German, from your explanation, it's gone the opposite way - aggressively maintaining the female option because of a dislike of broad adoption of the male version as a neutral default. | | |
| ▲ | input_sh an hour ago | parent [-] | | It's not "aggressively maintaining the female option", it's just a language quirk. English has a gender-neutral "the" article which you put in front of every noun, German has three different variations of "the" depending on the gender (der/die/das). Literally every noun has a gender, including inanimate objects such as a piece of furniture. "The table" is always masculine ("der Tisch"), "the lamp" is always feminine ("die Lampe") and "the bed" is always neutral ("das Bett"). Sometimes changing the article completely changes the meaning of the word, for example "der See" is the lake, but "die See" can be the sea or the ocean. Only living things can have more than one gender and in that case, not only does the article change, but so does the suffix. There is no "singress" in English, only "singer", but in German there's "der Sänger" or "die Sängerin". Calling a female singer "der Sänger" would be grammatically-speaking completely incorrect. The only thing that changed fairly recently is that more and more people intentionally try to maintain gender ambiguity when they don't intent to specify a gender, in which case "the singer" becomes "die Sänger:in", or even "der:die Sänger:in" if you want to be even more pedantic. |
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| ▲ | philipwhiuk 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | _blk 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | - Ublock origin
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| ▲ | ekianjo 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Extensions are a vector for vulnerabilities and malware though. Its happened many times already. | | |
| ▲ | bakugo 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Computers are a vector for vulnerabilities and malware. We must all stop using them. |
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| ▲ | shaunpud 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Switched over to Waterfox recently, nice alternative with some added extras for privacy etc. |
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| ▲ | echelon_musk 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The browser with a sidebar AI chatbot? What a simple solution. |
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| ▲ | freehorse 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You don't have to have the sidebar chatbot thing. When mozilla added these AI features, after the update the browser prompted me to whether I want it or not, with the "yes" and "no" being equally easy to select. It did not add them without consent. You can disable all AI features altogether, or you can completely remove chatbot sidebar specifically (with 2 clicks) and have the rest of the features if you want them. Gosh most of the time when I read people complain about firefox, it gives me the impression they have not even used firefox. | | |
| ▲ | willis936 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That's neat. Firefox has never prompted me on any of my instances and the sidebar is still present. Wish they would ask everyone for consent. | | |
| ▲ | utrack 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you accidentally skipped it, go to Preferences -> AI Controls -> toggle on Block AI Enhancements, it disables everything. | | |
| ▲ | kaiwn 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | He’s not saying he accidentally skipped the prompt, he’s saying he didn’t get any. |
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| ▲ | blks an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I would prefer a browser without any ai slop. | |
| ▲ | PinkaDunka 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is article about Chrome doing something undesirable with AI. Which can be easily disabled by going into chrome://flags.
And suggestion is to download Firefox which is also doing something undesirable with AI. Which is also can be easily disabled.
Seems both browsers are quite similar in this regard, so suggestion to replace one with another is not very helpful? | | |
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| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Firefox lets you disable all AI features with 1 setting switch. |
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| ▲ | grebc 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | whynotmaybe 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Don't need a VPN for that, a fake moustache is enough. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48018080 | |
| ▲ | Y-bar 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Take responsibility for your kids. Talk to them (or ask someone you trust to do it) about what is acceptable in your household and elsewhere. | |
| ▲ | xzjis 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That's really a bullshit argument. First off, there are plenty of technical solutions that allow minors (15-17 years old) to bypass the restrictions: using sites that don't follow the law, using Tor, etc. But furthermore, these measures to restrict access to porn are counterproductive for sex workers, because it makes their situation more precarious, and they only exist to weaponize the "think of the children" narrative in order to push draconian laws and social control. Soon it will be social media's turn, and then the entire internet asking for an ID. This isn't just an empty "slippery slope" argument, it's exactly what regulators are currently doing in all Western countries. | |
| ▲ | lionkor 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Won't someone think of the kids! Not the parents, no, they should be increasing shareholder value. /s |
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| ▲ | qurren 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| ... and it takes up 50% CPU on 16 cores just to run a video call. Laptop battery drains in 30 minutes. Chrome doesn't do that. I literally can't use Firefox anywhere I don't have a power socket. My laptop also becomes a toaster. |
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| ▲ | dwedge 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Oh is this the browser by that company that are funded half a billion dollars a year by Google and want to become an advertising company[1] and wants their browser to become a modern AI browser[2]? [1] https://www.jwz.org/blog/2024/10/mozillas-ceo-doubles-down-o...
[2] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozillas-next... |
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| ▲ | lionkor 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, that one! It's great, I can recommend it. | |
| ▲ | frereubu 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | ... that recently added a setting which allows you to entirely disable any AI enhancements? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-ai-controls#w_b... I mean Mozilla / Firefox aren't perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than Chrome and this comment does feel a bit like the perfect being the enemy of the good. | |
| ▲ | ranger_danger 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Please feel free to suggest a better alternative. | | |
| ▲ | nickvec 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | https://zen-browser.app/ | | |
| ▲ | Xmd5a 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | it's just arc-browser repackaged, isn't it? | | |
| ▲ | Cu3PO42 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | While it is certainly inspired by Arc, it doesn't share any code. Arc is proprietary and Chromium-based, Zen is Open Source and Firefox-based. | |
| ▲ | figmert 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is not. It is Firefox but with an Arc-like workflow. |
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| ▲ | dwedge 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not being able to suggest an alternative for Chrome doesn't imply that Firefox is a good alternative. On GrapheneOS they recommend Vanadium - a more secure Chromium fork - and specifically recommend against Firefox, but that's on mobile. | | |
| ▲ | Sayrus 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Gecko doesn't have a WebView implementation (GeckoView is not a WebView implementation), so it has to be used alongside the Chromium-based WebView rather than instead of Chromium, which means having the remote attack surface of two separate browser engines instead of only one. Firefox/Gecko also bypass or cripple a fair bit of the upstream and GrapheneOS hardening work for apps. Worst of all, Firefox does not have internal sandboxing on Android. > The sandbox has been gradually improving on the desktop but it isn't happening for their Android browser yet. Context is definitely interesting to have with your statement (From https://grapheneos.org/usage). | |
| ▲ | freehorse 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Firefox _is_ a good alternative to chrome, though, by the arguments OP brought. What OP complained about are even worse in chrome. FF is largely funded by google money? Chrome _is_ google. FF invests in AI features? Google invests even more in AI features and shoves them to you without consent (which ff asked me for after upgrades). Maybe FF is not perfect or great or whatever by one's point of view, but it _is better_ than chrome, at least regarding these arguments. | | |
| ▲ | dwedge 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's fair and true. I guess my issue with Firefox is that Google is obviously Google, and you know what to expect from a company like that. Mozilla is pretending to be an underdog while at the same time they are Google by proxy - aiming to bring more telemetry, more advertising, more AI and doing it with Google's money which they take partly so that Google can say they aren't a monopoly. It's the sneaky ways that Firefox are Google that bother me. Above you said that they recently added a switch to disable AI - only after backlash (though I have to admit that the original blog post said there should be an option to disable it). I also dislike that they are focusing on AI and advertising instead of improving their browser, but that's their decision. |
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| ▲ | _blk 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Graphene user here: Firefox is my standard browser because I like it but mostly because it runs ublock Origin (which again causes me to like it). Vanadium I use for social media sites so I'm not logged in to those on the primary browser. |
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| ▲ | QuantumNomad_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://ladybird.org/ | | |
| ▲ | n4r9 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Where's the download link? | | |
| ▲ | dwedge 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | git clone https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird.git
cd ladybird
./Meta/ladybird.py run If you can, run it, report issues and help them develop it. | | |
| ▲ | cicko 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Wonderful. My unpaid bills will be so happy waiting for that to complete. | | |
| ▲ | dwedge 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you're using a computer from any time in the past 20 years or so it's probably capable of multitasking so you can open another browser to pay your bills in the meantime. I'll give myself as an example, between writing that first comment and replying to you, I downloaded and built ladybird on MacOS - it took 25 minutes, most of which was me fixing build dependencies - and here I am replying to you from an alternative browser. Text navigation is a little weird and text boxes are weird, but so far it works. Of course, if building in the background is more effort than you're willing/able to expend, then continue using Chrome or Firefox until others finish the alternative, and then decide if the time required to download, install and get used to a packaged browser is also going to be a hindrance to you paying your bills. | | |
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| ▲ | gempir 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Helium has all the benefits of Chromium but none of the Google bloat or other crazy AI, Crypto, Gaming or whatever ideas other browsers ship. Just uBlock Origin pre-installed https://helium.computer/ | |
| ▲ | airstrike 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | FWIW I've recently moved from Firefox to Helium after 10+ years. Yes, I hate that it's also Chromium, but no, there aren't real alternatives. | | |
| ▲ | ranger_danger 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | There are Firefox forks that don't have any AI/advertising/etc. stuff in it. There's also WebKit-based FOSS browsers not based on Chromium nor Gecko. Upstream it's maintained by Apple but the open source webkit browsers should not have any questionable features by default. |
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| ▲ | petesergeant 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | We Should Improve Society Somewhat | | |
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