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grunder_advice 5 hours ago

I feel, like a lot of 21st century life is trying to do things artificially. Going to the gym, talking to strangers at the gym, ... these are both artifical replacements for human activity that is missing. You go to the gym because your daily routine isn't active enough. You try to form friendships with strangers because your daily routine lacks real and fulfilling interactions with other people.

Also it's kind of odd how nowadays everyone goes to the gym. Growing up as a late-stage millenial, gym goers were a niche subculture. Now it marketed to everyone everywhere as this integral part of modern daily life.

sparklingmango 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> "Going to the gym, talking to strangers at the gym, ... these are both artifical replacements for human activity that is missing."

As opposed to what, our ancient hunter gatherer lifestyle? Going to the gym and talking to strangers at the gym isn't an "artificial replacement", it's a genuine activity lots of people do.

> "You try to form friendships with strangers because your daily routine lacks real and fulfilling interactions with other people."

How do you think people make friends? They make friends by interacting with people at shared spaces and activities.

globular-toast an hour ago | parent [-]

> As opposed to what, our ancient hunter gatherer lifestyle?

Gardening, building things, maintenance, walking to the market etc.

I used to go to the gym but now I have a house and stuff to do it feels insane that I used my muscles to do useless work for so long.

alistairSH 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

I really don't know what to say, that was such an odd/funny take...

I have a house and stuff, and still go to the gym at 5:30 every morning, as a supplement to my running and cycling.

I guess my cycling is an artificial substitute for riding a horse? ;)

globular-toast 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's an artificial substitute for riding to work or to the supermarket etc.

alistairSH 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also it's kind of odd how nowadays everyone goes to the gym. Growing up as a late-stage millenial, gym goers were a niche subculture. Now it marketed to everyone everywhere as this integral part of modern daily life.

Aerobics classes have been a thing for decades. Pumping Iron came out in 1977. When I was in college (UVA, 95-99), there were several good gyms, plus they built a fancy new one about mid-way through my degree.

I suspect you just happened to be in a time/place where gym use was lower than average.

ryandrake 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Also it's kind of odd how nowadays everyone goes to the gym. Growing up as a late-stage millenial, gym goers were a niche subculture. Now it marketed to everyone everywhere as this integral part of modern daily life.

GenX here and I feel the same way. To me, "The Gym" has always been a place where bodybuilders and muscle heads go. In my mind, it will always be a niche hobby like autocross racing or horseback riding. And I know that I'm wrong! Everyone and their mom seems to go to The Gym now! But, it's hard to change the culture and learnings that you grew up with.

parliament32 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I think it's because the general public figured out they'll die in their 50s if they don't. Modern life is too easy -- a substantial portion of the population spends their white-collar lives flying a desk, "socializing" via sitting around eating and drinking, hiring people to do their landscaping and housework.. hell, you don't even need to walk to get food anymore, both restaurant meals and groceries are delivered. Sure, you might get out to a hike every weekend but that's simply not enough. For health it's pretty much a non-negotiable to go do some strenuous activity every other day, and going to the gym is the path of least resistance to getting that done.

fundad an hour ago | parent [-]

I think about this a lot too. There always seems to be a fitness trend involving classes like aerobics, yoga, pilates, Taibo, Zumba. But if we're talking about weight training, it is definitely having a moment now.

I wonder if all the instructional content on Youtube makes training with weights and weight machines more accessible than ever. I was intimidated by weights and figured it would be boring. A guy I knew was talking about his weight training and I asked if he plans things out with friends/workout buddies and he said he learns about it on YouTube. So when I finally pushed myself to try weights, I found a video. It was a petite woman (I'm a dude) and I thought, ok she looks better than I do and this routine is a nice start. And I went from there, in my forties.

My funniest theory is that dating has been getting more competitive and strength-training is good for confidence.

parliament32 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Going to the gym... artificial replacements for human activity that is missing

Compared to what? Even the ancient Greeks and Romans spent a significant amount of time in gymnasiums. Or are you comparing modern times to cavemen?

maerF0x0 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I'll take a shot at this one:

Compared to a life rhythm that was intrinsically social: recurring gatherings of your community (which used to mean proximity, not hobby) at a building, being invited to others' houses, a social expectation to be social and host things, recurring interaction with the same people due to a smaller circle. Contrast: today we're expected to leave a group of people to go to school, leave those people to move to a job, leave those people for hobbies and romance, and to never let those circle overlap.

Gym wise: compared to life being heavy, and relatively full of physical effort. (Even just working on a car/wood/metal/house/farm with hand tools for example). Cycling to work has done wonders to bridge this gap for me. I think also the current beauty/attraction aesthetic is hard to approach without dedicated weight training. At the top end of lean muscle mass modern life just isn't heavy enough to stimulate enough muscle growth, and in preferred proportions, unless you're willing to do tons and tons of reps which is exceedingly painful compared to banging out 5-15 of a rep range appropriate weight.

untrust 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Boomers and Gen X are riddled with diseases associated with a sedentary lifestyle and poor nutrition/diet. I would like to think the generations are learning from the mistakes of their predecessors. A lot of science has come out about the benefits of resistance training as well, along with the normalization of women doing resistance training in large part due to CrossFit

pkos98 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Indeed, it's the underlying principle of "division of labor".

Karl Marx' coined the term "Alienation" for describing most of the negative societal/human consequences of this principle, leading to isolation of humans "from themselves" (their natural will to construct something whole meaningful, not just complete a task in a process, but also isolation between humans themselves)

gverrilla 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

Completely wrong in many dimensions.

Source: Karl Marx

ButlerianJihad 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If only those treadmills and spinning and repetitive activities could be harnessed to generate electricity or pump water, and really close the loop!