| ▲ | TehCorwiz 7 hours ago |
| "Blinded by nationalism" I don't know, seems like a clear concise message that has relevance in today's world. |
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| ▲ | miketery 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Why nationalism? A flag can represent more than a nation. Can be blinded by any "flag" / ideology. |
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| ▲ | wrxd 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Since last summer a lot of flags appeared all over the UK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Raise_the_Colours https://manchestermill.co.uk/the-men-who-raised-the-flags/ | | |
| ▲ | philk10 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I went back to England last year and couldn't believe how many flags there were, I was shocked and not in a good way | | |
| ▲ | nephihaha 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Every criticism levelled at the St. George's Cross can be levelled at the Union Jack. It is time people in England had a healthier relationship with their flag, more like Scotland and Wales, and less like Northern Ireland. | | |
| ▲ | actionfromafar 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | St. George's Cross is football brawls and "England uber alles". Union Jack is stiff upper lip and kicking nazis out of Europe. | | |
| ▲ | nephihaha 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | It was the flag of the British Empire with all that entails. It is to be found all over the loyalist areas of Northern Ireland and on Orange Marches. It has appeared in umpteen far right demos, and in fact if you look at 1970s far right footage you can see it is the flag they most commonly carry in the UK not the St. George's Cross. Oh, and you'll find it at plenty of football matches, notably Glasgow Rangers, who fly it while singing songs about wanting to be "up to our knees in Fenian blood". |
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| ▲ | adolph 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The ambiguity is part of the charm. Something that reveals more about the beholders than the artist makes for stimulating conversation and discovery. Even the new positioning of the art on a plinth in some open space is enigmatic. If it were a critique of the powers that be, why would officialdom collaborate in propping it up? | | | |
| ▲ | delusional 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Interpretations, in my art? Seriously, this is part of the fun of art. Neither of you are wrong for reading different messages into it. | |
| ▲ | appreciatorBus 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Exactly. Communists are blinded by the flag with the hammer and sickle. Teachers and doctors are blinded by trans ideology and its flag. Examples abound, but wanna transgressor blanksy knows who butters his bread. | |
| ▲ | MattGaiser 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Flags overwhelmingly represent nations, groups considering themselves nations, that were nations or have some kind of individual governmental status. | | |
| ▲ | lucketone 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Nations != governments. “Nations” as synonym for country started appearing only recently, in last two/three hundred years. Flags have thousands of years of history. | |
| ▲ | kergonath 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Flags also represent causes, or groups that don’t aspire to becoming a nation. | |
| ▲ | nephihaha 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They don't at all. Consider for example that every single city, county and local council in the UK has a flag. There are flags for the United Nations, the European Union, Esperanto, every major football team and most political movements including the CND and anarchism. |
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| ▲ | socalgal2 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How do you know it's "blinded by nationalism"? There are plenty of non-national flags which are just as blinding |
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| ▲ | weavejester 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | In the UK there's been a recent spate of nationalist flag flying. Given the artist and location, "blinded by nationalism" is the most likely intended meaning. |
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| ▲ | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Is it though? This can mean anything. Is waving a Palestinian flag the same as waving an Israeli flag? Where do we draw the line between harmful and productive nationalism? Who exactly is blinded by nationalism? It is vague enough to appear deep to those trying to find something deep but not concrete enough to appear as anything that will stick in people's minds for more than a week. Unfortunately a lot of modern art is like this. |
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| ▲ | JuniperMesos 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Is it though? This can mean anything. Is waving a Palestinian flag the same as waving an Israeli flag? Where do we draw the line between harmful and productive nationalism? Who exactly is blinded by nationalism? Clearly it depends on your actual object-level position on the Israel/Palestine conflict. Or in general, what specific nationalisms you mean when you talk about being "blinded by nationalism". And that's the main reason why I think this is a mediocre piece of art. Very few people actually are genuinely anti-nationalist for all possible human groups that have some sense of themselves as a nation. All anti-nationalist rhetoric is implicitly aimed at a specific nationalism that someone has a problem with - and also everyone knows this. So everyone wants to use the blank slate of bansky's featureless flag as a canvas upon which to paint a nationalism they don't like in order to discredit it. And I personally think that's boring. Maybe engendering that reaction was itself part of Bansky's artistic vision, but I still don't think that makes for good art. | |
| ▲ | kergonath 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Is waving a Palestinian flag the same as waving an Israeli flag? Waving a flag is not a problem in itself. You can be proud of being part of whatever group you like and not hurt anyone. The problem is when the flag becomes the prism through which you see the world. Or, as the statue puts it, when you’re blinded by it. | |
| ▲ | cm2012 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Both Israel and Palestine are blinded by ideology. It is a very common failure mode for people. | | |
| ▲ | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | lukan 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | So ... Hamas does not want to do ethnic cleansing and attempted that a couple of times, but simply were not as powerful to have a bigger impact? | | |
| ▲ | t-3 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Resistance to illegal occupation and colonization isn't ethnic cleansing, it's a legal right as ruled by every international body since Israel was formed. Totally false equivalence. | | |
| ▲ | lukan 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you want to remove a certain set of people from land (people who were born there btw.) you are engaging in ethnic cleansing. The definition is clear here. |
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| ▲ | runarberg 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | When one is a colony of the other the flag of the colonized has added symbol of decolonization. The flag of the colonizers has no such symbol, quite the contrary in fact. These two flags are clearly distinct. |
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| ▲ | garyfirestorm 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | waving any flag and thinking its us or them is equally blinding. the world is not vacuum and to coexist we need to put flags behind and work together. |
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