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OutOfHere 11 hours ago

People need to do their best to stop paying so much in taxes to their state governments, failing which the governments get increasingly authoritarian. The state governments clearly have run out of real problems to solve, and when they do, they then attack basic freedoms. Keeping them strongly tax-constrained keeps them lean. As it stands, these governments are representing special interests, not the people. It doesn't matter how many places or where this is happening; the logic is the same. What happens is that the tax money is a prerequisite for strong enforcement. Without an excess in tax money, there isn't going to be substantial enforcement. I am not asking anyone to break tax law; only to aggressively hunt for exceptions to your advantage.

Outside of a W-2 salary for which taxes are pre-deducted, there are many ways, more applicable to businesses, also to independent contractors. Even for those with a salary, they ought to do their best to collect all the legally qualified benefits that they can. Lots of independent contractors get paid as W-2 when they could be getting paid as a corp, for which they could write off a portion of the taxes via deductibles and in various other ways. Lots of people could be ordering online at websites that don't deduct a sales tax. Using a Delaware corp for various transactions can also go a long way. Living in a geography where the property taxes are not absurdly high or rising also matters.

j0yb0y 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Representing special interests != too much tax money. Orthogonal. It’s a mind boggling leap.

OutOfHere 11 hours ago | parent [-]

The tax money is a prerequisite for strong enforcement. Without an excess in tax money, there isn't going to be substantial enforcement. Think ahead.

ambicapter 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Here's another prerequisite, even farther back than "strong enforcement"--not voting in governments with authoritarian tendencies.

iamnothere 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Unfortunately it’s been impossible to avoid Red or Blue flavored authoritarianism for the last few decades due to authoritarian control over both the political process and the entrenched bureaucracy.

dntrkv 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes because the countries with lower taxes are so free and democratic. Pretty sure the relationship is inverse if you take even 5 min of your time to look.

abustamam 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're saying that like we have a choice. If we don't pay taxes we get jailed. Simple as that.

dandellion 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Only if you're poor, the rich don't pay taxes just fine.

abustamam 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Incidentally these rules probably don't apply or won't be enforced on the rich because of some loophole.

kordlessagain 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Stop paying so much is not the same as not paying. Why are you making it otherwise?

abustamam 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Oh OK, thanks for clarifying that I can pay less than I owe and be scot free.

iamnothere 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Make less, pay less.

If you’ve had a successful career already, you may be able to “drop out” and find a place to live cheaply. I’ve heard good things about Panama.

abustamam 6 hours ago | parent [-]

If you've had a successful career already you probably already paid a lot of taxes, unless you're a billionaire in which case you're not paying taxes anyway.

iamnothere 5 hours ago | parent [-]

The best time to start making a lifestyle change was years ago, but the second best time is today.

If you can legally opt out, there’s no good reason to keep pouring tax dollars into a corrupt, possibly unfixable system.

abustamam 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

So your solution to fighting against authoritarian regimes is to be rich enough to fuck off to another state/country?

functionmouse 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

so it's okay because we're just following orders?

abustamam 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure if you wanna put it that way. I don't like paying taxes because our government doesn't use it well. But I also know that if I don't pay taxes I'm gonna have a bad time.

OutOfHere 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Outside of a W-2 salary, there are ways, more applicable to businesses, also to independent contractors. Even for those with a salary, they ought to do their best to collect all the legally qualified benefits that they can.

Lots of independent contractors get paid as W-2 when they could be getting paid as a corp, for which they could write off a portion of the taxes via deductibles and in various other ways.

Lots of people could be ordering online at websites that don't deduct a sales tax. Instead, they pay a substantial amount in sales tax.

Using a Delaware corp for various transactions can also go a long way.

abustamam 11 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't think anyone voluntarily pays more taxes than they ought to. People DO collect all their legally qualified benefits. It's why software like turbo tax is still around despite being a shitty company.

OutOfHere 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I disagree completely. There are all manner of loopholes and benefits that people fail to avail. Even the people with only a salary end up paying too much in sales tax and property tax.

nephihaha 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is happening worldwide.

wartywhoa23 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Kudos for highlighting this, because almost everyone here seems to be thinking of their own pot, not the whole kitchen.

OutOfHere 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It is not happening in destitute countries, is it? If you have normalized and given up already, then your fight is already lost.

nephihaha 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't know what the deal in developing countries is with this, but it is popping up on multiple continents. The PRC doesn't need it since their internet is so heavily controlled (although I gather workarounds exist), and it does feel like the west is copying the PRC.

wat10000 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How exactly am I supposed to do that?