I’ve had this type of issue on multiple European car brands. Software issues with driver assistance features, which they keep ignoring. Things like sudden unexplained braking, not showing down due to cars stopped ahead, swerving randomly... I accepted it because getting them to cover anything, even physical things, even under warranty. They just come up with self serving guidelines and excuses.

Glad you had success. Did it require lawyers?

> George and Ora Lee, successfully seized assets from a Bank of America branch after the bank wrongly foreclosed on their home

This is the type of person that deserves to have a statue in public

I think you mean Warren and Maureen Nyerges: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/couple-almost-forecloses-on-ban...

George and Ora Lee appear to be a couple who died hours apart in 2016 after being married for 58 years.

Not sure I agree with your second sentence, at least in the US. I may see "cheese product" or "dairy product" or "cheese flavor" but if it says real cheese, it's real cheese. My favorite example was seeing "onion (then in tiny text 'flavored') rings"

What do you mean by that?

This is a common misconception. People tend to think driving is controlling the steering and pedals, so if FSD does those things it must be driving.

It's not. Driving is whatever has ultimate responsibility for the vehicle and its occupants. If a cop pulls you over while FSD is enabled, it's not Tesla who's paying the ticket. If FSD has an issue, you're the driver who has to respond.

Think of FSD as a very nice cruise control. You're still driving, even if you aren't touching the wheel.

When full liability is put on the manufacturer, then we can talk about "cars driving themselves".

By that logic it’s ok if the car slams itself against a concrete wall - just because it failed to stop in time doesn’t mean it wasn’t driving itself.

Self driving cars are supposed to obey the same rules as human drivers.

Those YouTubers are all there to make Tesla look good. It’s a grift. The ones that are honest and show the bad side get kicked out of the Tesla club fast and dogpiled on.

Also a school zone is one of the most basic things the car should be able to handle. If it can’t do that, it’s not ready for public use.

Tesla FSD won't be level 5 until Tesla has liability for any crashes it causes the way Waymo does.

See, that's really the best argument for this. It can drive itself the same way I can fly an Airbus A321. You can't sue me because I didn't land the plane "intact".

Elon Musks claims included (exact quotes, these posts are still on X):

Jan 10, 2016: In ~2 years, summon should work anywhere connected by land & not blocked by borders, eg you're in LA and the car is in NY

Jul 16, 2019: If we make all cars with FSD package self-driving, as planned, any such Tesla should be worth $100k to $200k, as utility increases from ~12 hours/week to ~60 hours/week

These aren't moving goalposts by antis, this are the expectations set by Elon Musk himself when advertising his products.