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AustinDev 5 hours ago

Why don’t data centers use gray water more often? Wouldn’t that be better for basically everyone?

My guess is it’s some combination of the infrastructure not existing, the distribution being bad, and the treatment costs not penciling out.

But that feels like the kind of thing municipal utilities could solve with pricing. Potable water should probably be priced differently for residential use than for big commercial/industrial users, in a way that pushes them toward non-potable sources wherever possible.

A fun Texas water fact I always bring up: the entire state’s monthly freshwater use is roughly a week of freshwater inflow into the Chesapeake Bay. Texas would be the 8th-largest GDP in the world if it were a country, and its whole monthly freshwater demand is basically a few months of water that the Chesapeake just dumps into the ocean. (Of course, estuaries make use of the water so it's not just wasted but it's illustrative imo)

Another fun comparison point is yearly Texas uses 0.08% the volume of the Great Lakes in freshwater but ~ 30-50% of the volume of all the lakes in Texas.

We've got a lot of water but it's not distributed evenly and we should probably build some sort of water pipeline eventually so water rich states can sell to water poor states.

Again, this is all just speculation by someone who knows not a damn thing about municipal water management.

loeg 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Why don’t data centers use gray water more often?

DCs will just use the cheapest source that meets their needs. If they have to treat greywater and that costs more than municipal potable water, they'll use the potable water. (In part this is utilities selling their potable water too cheaply.)

> Wouldn’t that be better for basically everyone?

No; if it was cheaper for DCs, they'd already be doing it. But it isn't an insurmountable cost -- DCs still pencil with slightly more expensive cooling.

chatmasta 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Why do they even need to treat the water? Surely all they care about is that it’s a cold liquid?

loeg 3 hours ago | parent [-]

They need it to not clog up their cooling loop, corrode fixtures if the pH is off neutral, etc. It doesn't need to be potable.

trollbridge 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Those of us by the Great Lakes would prefer that our water not get sold to other places, thanks.

phil21 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not all of us. I'm totally fine with water pipelines in exchange for long distance transmission lines for solar power and other such infrastructure like gas pipelines from areas that produce stuff we do not.

Export an abundant resource for a scarcer one seems win/win to me. Kind of the point of interstate commerce.

agentultra 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Long term, fresh water as a resource is in decline [0].

[0] https://science.nasa.gov/earth/earth-observatory/global-fres...

robhlt 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thankfully the Great Lakes Compact prohibits water from being diverted outside the great lakes drainage basin, with very limited exceptions.

https://www.glslcompactcouncil.org/program-areas/water-diver...

tempaccount5050 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why? We have 27 quadrillion gallons in lake michigan alone. You could pump millions of gallons a day out and if it just stopped raining it would take 3 million years to drain it. Stop listening to Charlie Berens.

tt24 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sorry but that isn’t your water. Do you own the Great Lakes?

The Great Lakes are part of the United States and Canada. If the United States or Canada would like to repurpose the water within them for some better use then that sucks for you

cachencarry 4 hours ago | parent [-]

You’d have to convince a majority of the members of the Great Lakes-St. Lawrence River Basin Water Resources Compact. Good luck with that.

SoftTalker 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Grey water would normally get treated and then discharged into a river or lake or other local water body. If you evaporate it at a data center, then you break that local loop. It's really only different from using potable water in that you save a bit on the expense of fully treating it.

ssl-3 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Grey water from where?

wat10000 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Using 1/4th the entire freshwater inflow into the Chesapeake Bay makes it sound enormous. That's multiple major rivers for a bit over 30 million people.

I live near the Potomac and always figured the region was wet enough that water was not a concern. You have me rethinking that somewhat.

AustinDev 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Where does your gasoline come from? Most of that usage is for the massive Exxon/etc facilities we have in Houston/Galveston to refine most of the fuel the entire nation uses.

wat10000 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Interesting! What do refineries use so much water for? I had no idea.

christina97 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

By and large cooling, just like a data center.