| ▲ | stefan_ 5 hours ago |
| Okay, but why is the Siri team sitting out transformers. I really wanna move past the „Dragon Naturally Speaking“ experience with a bolted on decision tree. |
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| ▲ | acdha 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Who’s doing it better? I have yet to hear from a Google or Amazon user who has a transformatively better experience, and I think that’s why they haven’t jumped so far because they have hundreds of millions of users who have daily habits that they don’t want to lightly disturb. |
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| ▲ | simgt 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > I think that’s why they haven’t jumped so far because they have hundreds of millions of users who have daily habits that they don’t want to lightly disturb. I don't think that's part of their decision making, Liquid Glass moved most things around for seemingly not much else than novelty and that's not the first time. | | |
| ▲ | nebula8804 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Liquid Glass makes sense if this is what they are working towards: https://www.macrumors.com/guide/20th-anniversary-iphone/ They have done this before, release something large early in anticipation of a major shift and iron out issues before the shift happens. Liquid Glass started off a little janky but they appear to have been ironing out initial issues with each update. | | |
| ▲ | steve1977 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | From what I understand (which might be wrong), Liquid Glass was at least partially inspired by visionOS and "spatial computing". And I guess on that platform it might make sense for some use cases. That doesn't change the fact that I can hardly read some of the user interface in Apple Music for example. It's not that the idea is bad, but it's badly executed. | | |
| ▲ | conartist6 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I was gonna be one of their biggest native apps, but then I found out how many light-years better facebook's APIs for AR were |
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| ▲ | conartist6 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Really? None of my issues are fixed. The settings panel still has a massive gray empty chunk hanging off the bottom which makes it look like a 13 year old coded it... |
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| ▲ | bmitc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yea, if anything, it's Apple's normal mode to heavily disturb and move things around. | | |
| ▲ | bzbz 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Agreed. I vaguely remember another HN link that said Apple tried a competing-team approach to building a better siri, but it fell apart due to internal politics reasons? |
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| ▲ | alfiedotwtf 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | When a company doesn’t have anything to innovate on, or hires a new marketing exec, the first thing they do is change the company logo. Liquid Glass was Apple’s logo change moment | | |
| ▲ | pram 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | There have been many metaphorical and literal logo change moments in Apple’s 50 years champ |
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| ▲ | wenc 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Right now Alexa+ and Gemini are objectively better. The best is ChatGPT voice mode. It understands non English words and accents amazingly well, and even though the LLM model isn’t the full fledged one, I can have deep conversations with it for an hour without it missing a beat. | | |
| ▲ | stronglikedan 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Alexa+ is terrible compared to Alexa. It's so bad that I've dusted off my v1 echos cuz they're too old to run Alexa+. Complete shit show that is. I do like Gemini better than Assistant, even though it's not quite there yet. But that's just a matter of time because they actually designed it from the ground up to be a drop in replacement for Assistant. | |
| ▲ | CountHackulus 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Alexa+ has been a massive downgrade for me. It's extremely laggy and constantly misunderstands me, whereas the old one never did. "Set a timer for 20 minutes" used to be instant and just work, I did this the other day and it took 10 seconds to respond and set a timer for 10 minutes. | | |
| ▲ | hamdingers 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Same here. I can see why LLM-driven voice assistants makes sense to product people in the abstract, but introducing non-deterministic behavior into a device I primarily use to help with timekeeping and control lights is nothing but a regression. |
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| ▲ | HereticLocke 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I agree, ChatGPT voice mode is pretty impressive. Almost similar to Samantha in 'Her', laughably. | | | |
| ▲ | barumrho 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Siri doesn't need to have conversations with you. ChatGPT can do that.
But, it should be able to do actions you'd do on your phone. | | |
| ▲ | cachius an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Speech to text should work. I regularly have to manually edit the transcribed input. The more special words the more frequent. Completely disregards the context of the current input, for example, on Hacker news might involve special technical and IT vocabulary. | |
| ▲ | skeledrew an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Pretty straight forward on Android at least to wire up a harness that talks to Tasker[0] or another full automation app. [0] https://tasker.joaoapps.com/ |
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| ▲ | DaiPlusPlus 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "objectively better" is a subjective statement :) My preference, however, is for a voice-control UX just like I get with my Amazon Echo and "classic" Alexa like I have been for the past 10 years I've been using it: I think I can best describe it as a "voice-driven command-line" just like your OS' CLI shell, which makes its interactions predictable, even if it means I need to "know" what commands are valid in a given context. We all need predictability and reliability when it comes to my home-automation integrations. ...but computer interaction with a LLM / transformer-driven / "AI agent" is anything but predictable. When Amazon opted everyone into Alexa+ I agreed to give it a go and see if it really made things better or not - and it did not. I opted-out of Alexa+ and went back to something actually reliable. | | |
| ▲ | thrtythreeforty 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Here's a question: I don't understand the gap between these LLM powered voice agents vs CLI coding agents, the latter of which are obviously useful and quite resourceful at getting something done when asked in plain English. Seems like an agent given 20-30 tool calls like "read_sms" "matter_command", and "send_email" would be able to work out what to do for things like "set the house to 72° and text Laura that I did it." | | |
| ▲ | DaiPlusPlus 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Seems like an agent given 20-30 tool calls like "read_sms" "matter_command", and "send_email" would be able to work out what to do for things like "set the house to 72° and text Laura that I did it." Incidentally, a major headline in the news this past week was about a coding-agent that wiped its company's entire system, including backups; which the company's staffers were confident was utterly impossible (as it didn't have any access to that system), and yet somehow, it did[1] (the TL;DR is the agent randomly came across an unprotected God-tier admin API-key/token saved to a personal text-file in a filesystem it had read-access to). If an agent can do that with only read-only access to a company's routine/everyday storage area then there's no way I'm giving it the ability to deactivate my house's fire-alarms and security-cameras via Google Home/Matter/Thread/HomeKit/X10/OhFfsNotAnotherCloudBasedAutomationScheme. [1] https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/27/cursoropus_agent_snuf... | | |
| ▲ | 8note an hour ago | parent [-] | | If you are really worried about that, the agent already has that access since itll go find that key anyways. the HN thread about that case was much more of a "why are you putting your prod keys in random text files" and "the sota in prompt engineering is that putting DONT FUCKING DO THE BAD THING" makes the agent more desperate to get stuff done putting limits at the harness level would do just fine. one LLM call, one tool call per voice message. you dont have to give it a ton of turns |
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| ▲ | redwall_hp 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Siri's one job I care about is doing exactly what I want while I'm driving. I need it to check my text messages, take dictation, start phone calls and deal with music. I don't need to have conversations with it, I need deterministic responses to known commands. | |
| ▲ | wat10000 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "Objectively" has become a generic intensifier. It's literally infuriating. | |
| ▲ | ShyCodeGardener 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Whenever I see one of these comments, it's always from someone that tried it at the start and then gave up because of a bad experience. And many times there are more people commenting back that this was essentially the 1.0 version and that the current 2.0 version is much better. So as someone that uses none of these products (old voice assistants vs. ai ones) it's really hard to evaluate if any of these anecdotes mean anything. You could have tried Alexa+ at the start when it was shitty compared to plain Alexa, and maybe it's better now. But equally none of the people that comment that it is "amazing" in its current iteration qualify their statements with their experiences comparing and contrasting the old version vs. the new version making them seem either unqualified to make statements based on how much "better" it is than the old version or at worse they are shills (paid or not). The best take is that they are comparing (e.g.) day-one Alexa+ vs. the current Alexa+ without a comparison to the original Alexa. ... which is to say that it really feels like there are no clear conclusions that could be drawn from all of this. | | |
| ▲ | dudeinhawaii an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm not an Alexa user myself but I have watched my wife interact with it for around 5years now. The new Alexa powered by an LLM is objectively better that previous Alexa in a few ways. This much was apparently from day one and has only gotten smoother. 1. It can reliably execute direct or vague-ish commands "play X movie in app Y" or "play x show" and can infer X movie is only available in app Z so use that. 2. Speech recognition seems better (less instances of 5x round trips) 3. Conversational with multi-turn --- my wife can have a back and forth clarifying a topic. 4. Seems to understand intent a bit better. (user asked A so they are probably thinking about B) Those may seem small but they were a tremendous source of annoyance for her -- and thus for me -- "Alexa is not listening, do something!" | | |
| ▲ | DaiPlusPlus an hour ago | parent [-] | | > It can reliably execute direct or vague-ish commands "play X movie in app Y" or "play x show" and can infer X movie is only available in app Z so use that. ...how does that work, exactly? (or rather: what's the context here?); there's no possible way for an Alexa+-powered Amazon Echo to control my AppleTV or interface with VLC on my desktop. | | |
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| ▲ | circuit10 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No matter how good the LLM features are, I just want to turn my lights on and off and check the time. A perfect LLM could maybe perform on par with a simple deterministic command system for these tasks, but not better. All an LLM does is introduce the possibility that a command that worked fine yesterday will randomly not work Also, one of my first interactions with this Alexa+ thing was “how long is it until 8:45am”, one of only a few commands I use it for to work out how much sleep I’m getting, and it proceeded to ask me what the current time was… I immediately turned it off after that | |
| ▲ | DaiPlusPlus 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > that tried it at the start and then gave up because of a bad experience I've had enough bad experiences with products that never got better, or just got worse (Exhibit A: Windows 11). Like most primates, I am capable of learning, and I've learned that once a consumer product/service goes bad there's little hope of a turn-around. I accept that you're telling me that it's gotten better, but of the people I know IRL who also use an Echo, none of them have told me that Alexa+ is worth trying, let alone committing to. Yes, it's on me for not giving Alexa+ a second chance, but I'm not willing to give Alexa+ a second chance because, as a technology product/service customer, I just don't feel respected by the industry I work for (...lol); if Amazon, Microsoft, Google, et al won't respect me, why should I venture outside my comfort-zone for... what benefit, exactly? | | |
| ▲ | cachius an hour ago | parent [-] | | The current photos app on Win 11 has accumulated a whopping one gigabyte of - what actually? |
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| ▲ | _DeadFred_ 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not the early 2000s where just messing around and wasting time on this stuff is cool in itself. None of that time wasted turned into much long term apps that stuck with me. Maybe a banking app and a trail running app. I ruined multiple dinners with timers that didn't work (with a time/labor cost). I had to get out of bed in the freezing to turn the lights out. It's easy to hit the lights when I go to bed but annoying having the tool fail and getting back out. Music stuff didn't work well because I used Youtube Music not Spotify. Those were my 3 use cases for Google voice, and it failed them all enough I just stopped using it all together. Who cares if it works today if in another month they just change something and break it again? They've shown it's not a tool to use for tool things, it's a 'gee wow' thing. I don't need to be impressed. I need not burnt food. |
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| ▲ | alfiedotwtf 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This! I talk to ChatGPT every morning, and will listen and navigate my feeds while I drive, summarises posts, answer my questions. It just works. | |
| ▲ | virgil_disgr4ce 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I concur that the ChatGPT voice mode is excellent. I can't even think of anything to knock it for other than for whatever reason it never 'hears' my kids, but that's probably because it's not intended to be used in multi-participant chats? But for one-on-one, it is a really outstanding experience. Especially since they tamped down the way over-the-top humanisms. |
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| ▲ | taude 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My android phone was so much better for voice-to-everything. Whether it was transcribing my voice for text messages, or doing looks on the internet. Siri is just so bad. Still love not having google's paws all over my data, though, so not going back. | |
| ▲ | recursive 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Google user here. My experience with the new assistant is worse. The old one could pretty reliably set timers. The new one could not. | | |
| ▲ | stickfigure an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Strong disagree. The upgrade was a little bit rough at first (mostly because of slow response) but now it's a million times better than the old assistant. The old assistant basically just repeated "I don't know how to do that" over and over. I have never had trouble setting timers with either. | | |
| ▲ | recursive an hour ago | parent [-] | | The new one was 100% failure to do anything with timers for me. I never saw it work once. If I had ever gotten that to work at all, I may not have uninstalled it, and might have a different impression now. I cannot account for why our experiences are so different. | | |
| ▲ | xnx 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > I cannot account for why our experiences are so different. It is much better today than 3 months ago. |
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| ▲ | BeetleB 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Oh man. I made the mistake of converting my Google Home devices to Gemini. The first problem is that it's just slow. If I want it to turn off some light, it takes a long time before responding. But yeah, the failure to do basic tasks. I have a routine that I used to have it run (controls several devices at once). Now: 10-20% of the time it runs it. 60% of the time it says it's running it but it doesn't do anything. 20-30% of the time it says it can't do it unless I opt in to invasive permissions. And when I opted into them, it still failed about a third of the time. So I opted out again. | | |
| ▲ | recursive an hour ago | parent [-] | | I don't know if it's related to Gemini, but sometimes the Android Auto tells me "I don't have permission to do that" simultaneously with actually doing the thing that is allegedly lacking permission. Sometimes I want to move off the grid. | | |
| ▲ | BeetleB 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Just recently got my first "modern" car. Man, I hate touch screens. And I hate Android Auto. My previous car had an aftermarket Bluetooth system (radio, etc). It was way, way better than Android Auto or any entertainment system I've seen in any car. |
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| ▲ | cmckn 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I like that I can ask more nuanced questions without getting dumped to a web search, and I can have a back-and-forth conversation. But timers and smart home actions are definitely less reliable and sometimes take absurdly long to respond (like 20-30 seconds p99). | | |
| ▲ | recursive an hour ago | parent [-] | | Your experience is valid of course, but I never once have had the inclination to have a conversation with my phone. I'm not sure which of our experiences is more common. | | |
| ▲ | cmckn an hour ago | parent [-] | | It’s not a conversation like you’d have with a friend, it’s the type of interaction you’d have with a chatbot, just hands-free. To give you an example, I was having coffee the other morning while unloading the dishwasher and asked the speaker if today was a good day to apply weed and feed on my lawn. This was not possible with the old assistant and was useful to me. |
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| ▲ | netsharc 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I hate it too.. the old assistant is pretty smart, obviously it has some language processing, but not "AI", but it's very fast for things like "Set alarm for ... ", "Remind me at X about Y", "Add calendar event on x at y about z", or "Navigate home". And now if I want to use Gemini on my phone I have to replace Assistant. Nah, I'll keep Assistant thanks, and just have a shortcut to load the Gemini in the browser. Except the browser experience is so fucking buggy, constant reloads needed.. |
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| ▲ | bakies 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Claude.. I switched my phone assistent to claude and it does everything that google (used to) do like set alarms and timers, but also does everything claude can do. | | |
| ▲ | saratogacx 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The only thing I haven't been able to get it to do is read from my phone's local calendar. The claude app can but the voice assistant cannot (Why? No idea). Perplexity has no issue doing it so I actually use them for my rare needs to do voice commands with my phone. | |
| ▲ | arnavpraneet 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How did you do that? | | |
| ▲ | bakies 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Settings > Apps > default apps > assistant | | | |
| ▲ | infecto 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I was looking myself and it appears only certain regions (Japan) have that option. | | |
| ▲ | bakies 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm in USA, on a Pixel Android. | | |
| ▲ | infecto 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Hah I missed the part you said Google. You figure a thread about Siri was talking iOS. Of course the configuration path is the same in android as ios! | | |
| ▲ | dekhn 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The context switched mid-thread- the reply was to somebody saying they hadn't heard from either Apple or Google phone users. | | |
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| ▲ | EwanToo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | As a Google user in a household of iPhones, my opinion is Gemini on android is radically better than Siri. | |
| ▲ | brightball an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Grok integration in a Tesla is doing it muuuuuuuch better. | |
| ▲ | hrimfaxi 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Who’s doing it better? Any of the Whisper-based apps on the App Store. | | |
| ▲ | Wowfunhappy 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Actually, could you recommend one? The ones I've found all seem to want subscriptions. I'm okay paying a few dollars for a well done frontend, but an ongoing sub to run an open weights model locally is nuts... | | |
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| ▲ | Cthulhu_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Plus, if someone else does it better (or different), I bet they've got a team and technology at a 90% done state waiting to jump on it, pick it apart and make it better. I don't think they're not doing anything. | |
| ▲ | BoredPositron 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Here have an anecdote: Gemini Assistant is pretty good. | |
| ▲ | naravara 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It’s not “transformatively better” but it definitely involves fewer frustrations to interact with. That’s always been Apple’s main value proposition, you’re not getting the most cutting-edge stuff but you’re supposed to have something that “just works” not something that makes you go “GODDAMN IT!” when it inexplicably seems to fumble normal things. So if you buy Apple products based on that value proposition it’s a big problem for Apple if they can’t seem to keep their brand-promise in this area. | |
| ▲ | phrotoma 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yesterday my google home mini gave me the current temperature in farenheit. I live in Canada and use a pixel. Dumbest fucking AI going. May as well give it to me in coulombs per hectare. |
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| ▲ | stetrain 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not sure "sitting out" is the right way to put it. They've been publicly trying to ship a next-gen Siri for years and haven't been able to get something good enough to release. The latest plan is to base it on Gemini so we should be seeing progress on that next month at WWDC. |
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| ▲ | readams 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Gemini will be replacing the legacy Siri: https://blog.google/company-news/inside-google/company-annou... |
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| ▲ | pxc 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The experience of using LLMs as digital assistants so far is not great. Gemini on Android sucks so bad it's hard to describe. It can't tell what its own capabilities are, it can't inspect the states of the apps it manipulates, it hallucinates constantly, and it needs more handholding than the crappy old decision tree to do the right thing. I much more often have to pull over to make sure Google Maps is doing the right thing than I ever used to before, because trusting the LLM to be "smarter" so often fails for me. Be careful what you wish for. |
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| ▲ | GeekyBear 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They did create a chatbot version of Siri small enough to run locally, but decided that hallucinations were a big enough issue to push the release. |
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| ▲ | gchamonlive 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think it's the same reason why MacOS and iOS degraded a lot in terms of UX the past decade. The focus of Apple shifted towards hardware independence. The 2010s was marked by Intel's lazy product lineup, year after year pumping rehashes of older products, iterating on top of their 14nm lithography with increasingly minor improvements on its architecture until AMD overcame them. In the process, Apple's partnership with Intel became a liability it had to solve, and a push for the unified ARM architecture was no small feat. If you ask me I don't think it's justified to degrade the user experience for the sake of focusing on this. It's a trillion dollar company, and has been for a while. Sure it could have tackled both, but what do I know. In any case I think it explains really well why Siri feels so abandoned. |
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| ▲ | threetonesun 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I dunno, Apple has always had a pretty high level of hardware independence, and one could imagine even if Intel did produce great chips for longer the ARM architecture would replace it eventually. Certainly the timeline got shifted (and I'm glad for it) but I don't know if that really impacted Siri. If anything it seems like it got pushed to the bottom of the pile in favor of projects like the Apple Car and Vision Pro OS one on side and the demand to increase services revenue on the other. | | |
| ▲ | Wowfunhappy 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Also: Before, Apple was dependent on Intel (whose "product" is an integrated chip design and the fab to make it). Now they're dependent on TSMC (whose "product" is a fab). I'm... not really sure they've reduced their dependence? If TSMC starts falling behind Intel--which doesn't seem likely, but what happened to Intel didn't seem likely two decades ago--Apple will be stuck. | |
| ▲ | newsclues 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | A series is their own chip design, not Power PC or Intel designs. It's the CPUs they have built for their purposes, which is next level hardware independence. |
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| ▲ | Cthulhu_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's one of the biggest and wealthiest companies in the world, but your comment seems to imply they have to pick and choose what they pursue. They really don't, especially if it's hard- vs software. | | |
| ▲ | footydude 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > seems to imply they have to pick and choose what they pursue. They really don't, especially if it's hard- vs software. Money can often just be one part of the equation. To do things well you also need - available & capable technical resource, suitable facilities, available & capable leadership and management (with engaging at the right level in the business) and a clear vision of what you're trying to achieve/working towards. Given how Apple appears to operate, I wonder if a strong desire for senior management control/oversight over major developments means they (artificially) limit how many concurrent large-scale things they can work on at any given time? Maybe not, but that'd be my guess. | |
| ▲ | gchamonlive 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It's a trillion dollar company, and has been for a while. Sure it could have tackled both, but what do I know. I didn't imply, it's explicit in my comment. it's what their actions show. Their updates make their systems worse and worse, Tim Cook is out and Siri is in shambles. It might have been something else, but I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt, because the alternative is just sheer stupidity. |
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| ▲ | HumblyTossed 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They're valued at $4T, they have hundreds of billions hoarded. They could run 50 billion dollar startup projects and not feel it. Imagine a startup getting handed a billion dollars ... and the vast knowledge that Apple has access to already. There's no way they couldn't do a better Siri. For some reason, they just ... won't. | | |
| ▲ | foobiekr a minute ago | parent | next [-] | | Heavily funded startups have terrible track records in reality. The only cases where it seems to have worked is when the money was used to undermine the market dynamics by nuking competition via severe underpricing. | |
| ▲ | gnerd00 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | here is a clue delivered -- money does not make software better, and lots of money often results in worse.. it makes no sense? actual experience begs to differ. Classical homework assignment -- the Mythical Man Month and related essays | | |
| ▲ | ux266478 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Money is a means to an end, so that's true. Just because you have a screwdriver does not mean you will drive screws. You have to have someone who can use the screwdriver, knows righty-tighty, wants to drive the screws, etc. Stupidly throwing money at a problem can get you places, but the efficiency can also drop to near zero. The problem is we're talking about a quantity of money where you don't need to be highly efficient. Savants can do pioneering work in a cave with a box of scraps, but you don't have to strive for that kind of austere efficiency. Nobody is expecting that. If Apple can't harness the potential of the currently overfilled labor pool, that indicates a systemic issue within Apple. The entire raison d'etre of management structures within a business is to increase efficiency of capital to drive productive forces. If they cannot do that, then that would indicate an extremely problematic competency crisis within Apple's management organ. This kind of failure when you are a company with the valuation of a first world country's GDP should be raising alarm bells in any rational person's mind. |
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| ▲ | realusername 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I always found that Apple had pretty mediocre software qualify, it's always been a very strong hardware company first and foremost. They have great kernel, drivers and low level engineering but the stack above that has a lot of questionable stuff. | | |
| ▲ | rkapsoro 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I only partly agree with this. The answer is maddeningly more complicated. Some parts of their software stack -- higher up than the kernel -- are actually pretty great. There's a lot of realy brilliant stuff in their system frameworks, and in SwiftUI, Cocoa, and UIKit. I've been using Linux at home recently, and I find myself missing some of it. But, on the flip side, suddenly you hid maddening bugs, crashes, or terrible developer-experience papercuts. And, of course, there's the App Store, which is just evil. For my next app I'm just going to go Notarization only, and see how that goes... | |
| ▲ | pfisherman 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The comment above is on to something. I find CarPlay to much more valuable and much more of a lock in to the iPhone than Siri. I do not think I could ever go back to using the infotainment systems that ship with cars. So makes sense why they might prioritize over Siri. And in the context of CarPlay, the simplicity of Siri is nice. I really only need it to execute a few simple commands like looking up directions, making calls, reading / sending texts, playing a podcast, etc. | | | |
| ▲ | gchamonlive 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't dispute that, but Apple made its business on the premise of being the best in the business in terms of UX. Note though that you can have great UX powered by mediocre software, so those aren't mutually exclusive. | | |
| ▲ | robotresearcher 44 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Apple’s Mac software in the 90s had great UX and very underwhelming and old fashioned kernel software which they struggled to replace. Jobs knew this and did the work externally with NeXT. | | |
| ▲ | gchamonlive 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I knew that only by hearsay. After watching Halt and Catch Fire I truly understood how revolutionary Apple's UX was |
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| ▲ | yieldcrv 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Because the competitor voice models sound good but are dumb upon any scrutiny ChatGPT’s voice model has a great user experience and seems like it is seamlessly integrated into the chat, but its actually a far smaller and dumber model. @husk.irl on instagram has videos displaying how dumb and undiscerning it is People were wowed by the magic at one point, but its faded. Apple avoids those things and the limitations havent been solved |
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| ▲ | colechristensen 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I think they could never make it good enough at the right price. You have to remember all of the AI companies are making cash bonfires. People aren't going to stop buying iPhones because Siri can only do what it does now. If Apple focuses on hardware and skips the pay-for-inference bubble they'll come out the other side with the best consumer hardware everybody already has for local inference which is going to eat the whole industry's lunch. nvidia is going to have a hard time convincing people they need to buy $1000 LLM inference hardware. Apple isn't going to have a hard time convincing people to buy the next generation of phone/tablet/laptop. |