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anianz 3 hours ago

> Freystaetter and Gottlieb both say that instead of their own generation, they are more worried about Gen Alpha and other young people that come after them, who lose their chance to develop healthy relationships with technologies when they become mandatory and ubiquitous.

I remember similar concerns from Millennials about Gen-Z with the Internet and social media. In the end the Internet and Social Media Gen-Z grew up with was quite different from the one Gen-Y was worried about and the reaction of the new generation to it of course not uniform. Similar developments might happen with Gen Alpha and AI, which seems even more polarizing to me.

isoprophlex 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I have three (gen A) kids, of which two are of the age to have opinions on this.

They tell me I don't have a real job because I just tell the computer what to do, and I don't do the thing myself (to which I can't help but respond that they're absolutely right). If I try to spin them a bullshit story, they tell me how can that be true and maybe I got brainwashed by AI. Also they hate ads with a passion.

If anything, I'm incredibly hopeful for newer generations. They'll probably mostly be fine, like most of us were.

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Edit: many responses, and I'll add that in isolation "x is not real work" coming from a kid is maybe equally endearing as it is divisive.

I'll add that of course my kids are a product of their upbringing, and I make no secret of my existential confusion about what it is to program a computer when most of the time i'm just steering the clanker away from obviously dumb mistakes.

My wife is a psychologist working with underprivileged kids, so we always joke that she has the real job and I'm just doing a hobby that pays well. Much of this is them simply parroting that, maybe. We do try to teach them to think beyond dogma and the cultural bias they grow up in, but who can tell. Everyone is in the end to a great extent a product of their environments, and parents.

Finally. They (their generation) will probably be fine, but they might equally well not be. Vapes, tiktok, souped up ebikes, sexting, designer drugs, climate change, refugees, extremism. So many challenges, but you could argue every generation had that. So i choose not to have too much of an opinion and try to stick with gleeful, desperate optimism.

burnte 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> They tell me I don't have a real job because I just tell the computer what to do, and I don't do the thing myself (to which I can't help but respond that they're absolutely right).

For most of computing history this has been the case, too!

glhaynes 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Can't be doing rEaL woRk unless you're flipping front panel switches to input machine code instructions.

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lesuorac 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean what is real work anyways?

Like take finance where people just email broken spreadsheets around all day. If they stop doing that then farmers can't get loans to buy crops which means crops don't get planted and so on-so-forth.

Certainly emailing spreadsheets doesn't seem very "real" but there's actual value in providing liquidity it's just not physically demanding.

On the flip side, professional sports is very physically demanding but can you really call what kids do for fun "real work"?

ryanmcbride 2 hours ago | parent [-]

From the perspective of these kids real work probably involves working with your hands. I don't think we need to get too upset over what people who have yet to enter the workforce have to say about "real work". They need to be employed for a few years before they learn the lesson that almost ALL work is fake work.

bombcar an hour ago | parent [-]

My definition of real work is - can I point at something and be proud of it? It might not even be something physical (but often is) and my involvement may not be obvious (say, managing the spreadsheets for a building project), but there it is, the thing I worked on.

chubot 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They tell me I don't have a real job because I just tell the computer what to do, and I don't do the thing myself (to which I can't help but respond that they're absolutely right)

Hm interesting

So they are making the distinction between regular "human brain" coding and AI-assisted coding?

Regular coding could be described as "not doing the thing yourself, but telling the computer what to do"

(FWIW I do think there is a huge difference; however I am not sure the general public has a very good idea of what "programming" is. I remember having some code up on my screen and my educated family was confused, even at the concept)

hirvi74 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Most actions can be viewed in highly reductionist manner.

Even J.S. Bach was aware of the same concept:

> "There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself."

~ Johann Sebastian Bach

bombcar an hour ago | parent [-]

Iirc the piano was considered uncouth and unskilled because it was “too easy”.

anianz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Children are never shy to tell the truth." Your comment makes me hopeful as well.

In general those "Generation XYZ is threatened by this, thinks that" tropes often annoy me. I'm born somewhere between Gen-Y and Gen-Z and those boundaries feel totally arbitrary.

rickydroll 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This smells to me an awful lot like the

"You're not a real ham if you don't use Morse code", "You're not a real machinist if you use CNC", "Your mechanical drawing skills are going to atrophy if you use CAD CAM. "You should manually tape PCB layouts, so you have more control.

And another grandfather's favorite, "Why do you want to use the forklift? You won't always have one, and a pry bar and rollers are good enough, and you learn the value of real work."

bccdee 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think there's a big difference between "your drawing skills will atrophy if you use CAD to draw for you" and "your brain will atrophy if you ask an LLM to think for you." Personally I don't judge people for being unable to draw, but I do judge them for being unable to think for themselves.

forgetfreeman 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I judge the shit out of people who can't draw AND bill themselves as visual artists so there is that.

halestock 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'd say it's more like you're not a real driver if you use Waymo to get around everywhere.

grim_io 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure, but I'm a software developer, not a typist.

A delivery person is still delivering stuff, even if it turns out that using a waymo is cheaper/faster.

QuercusMax 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

An L7 SWE TLM at Google once told me that he enjoys building software, he just doesn't like the data entry parts - that's why he was a manager and not an IC.

I think there are a lot of ICs who may need to re-evaluate what their job actually entails and what they're paid for.

conartist6 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You have smart kids.

Once you use AI for all your work you won't be growing anymore, just fading away

bombcar an hour ago | parent [-]

AI is turning all of us into managers and we’ve KNOW forever that managers don’t know anything ;)

nprateem 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well the point is you tell it what to do isn't it? Unless your job is so replaceable and generic there's little actual direction needed?

I still can barely have a convo with it where it doesn't just make up total unworkable bollocks.

It can manage some coding though tbf, but again, not sure how far a completely non-tech user would find it.

dinfinity 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> If anything, I'm incredibly hopeful for newer generations. They'll probably mostly be fine, like most of us were.

The current state of the world begs to differ with "most of us being mostly fine". Critical thinking skills and the ability to make wise decisions among the various electorates seem to be in a incredibly shitty state.

Anecdotally, Gen Z-ers as a whole are definitely not better at this; they're easily swayed by flashy memes, TikToks and other forms of disinformation. Where younger people used to have a more society minded, leftist lean (before ultimately becoming jaded), they more than ever side with right wing populists from a young age. Not all of them, but a much larger chunk than before.

bombcar an hour ago | parent [-]

Maybe requiring large swaths of people to “make the right decisions” as the electorate was a problem from the start.

cmrdporcupine 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, well, my youngest (15) tells me all the same things, while simultaneously constantly asking Gemini to help them write code for their game they're building in RPG Maker.

They'll see.