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| ▲ | briffle 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| That was our struggle with implementing "blocking" tech at a school I worked at. Is a kid looking up how to do a breast self exam porn? What about a self testicular exam.. What about actual Sex Ed kinds of sites? |
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| ▲ | Bender 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That's between parents and their local governments. Yes when I was a kid my mom let me watch whatever and go wherever. The parent in my example ultimately decides what a kid may or may not do which is in alignment with existing laws. If the parent is endangering their kid that is up to them and their government to sort out. Point being, put the controls entirely into the hands of the device owner. Options can be to default to: - Block everything by default unless header states otherwise. - Block only sites that state they are adult. - Do nothing. Obey the operator. (Controls disabled on child accounts or make them an adult or otherwise unrestricted account on the device). I think the options are just limited to our imagination. |
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| ▲ | mikestorrent 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I know parents who have no problem with their kids seeing porn. Surely you mean at least teenagers, and not literally children, right? Consider the prevalence of violence, racial stereotyping, and escalation of fetishism into degeneracy that clearly exists within this medium; what's the line that these parents draw? Are they making sure it's only something vanilla? Or is there no line whatsoever? |
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| ▲ | bluGill an hour ago | parent [-] | | They don't care. The kids won't think to ask until they are teens, and they are not showing it until then, but it is technically available. |
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| ▲ | aqme28 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Then those parents can turn off their browser/client’s age protections. I think that’s actually a decent argument for the solution posed by this thread. |
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| ▲ | traderj0e 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | There is such a thing as making the "kid ok" header so rare or "18+" so eager that nobody takes it seriously, so that'd need to be kept in mind. |
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| ▲ | traderj0e 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There are already laws defining this. Had to draw the line somewhere, and they did. |
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| ▲ | lokar 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | In which legal jurisdiction and culture? Many or most website are have users from many locations. Is the header a json encoded map from country code to age rating? | | |
| ▲ | traderj0e 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The US. If they want to serve users in other countries, or if certain states make their own rules, it's business as usual whether to serve different content there or serve a different header or take the legal risk. | | |
| ▲ | lokar 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | That seems unworkable and a practical matter | | |
| ▲ | fc417fc802 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It's the exact same problem that age verification faces. There are different laws in different jurisdictions and operators have to figure out how to comply with the ones that matter to them. Think of the (current) header as meaning "we would have blocked you if we saw you were under 18" or whatever equivalent and it should make sense. | |
| ▲ | traderj0e 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They already do this, like there's Victoria's Secret's US website vs Qatar. |
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| ▲ | tristor 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > I know parents who have no problem with their kids seeing porn. I don't agree with showing actual children porn, but I also totally expect teenagers to find some way to get access to it in the age of the Internet. Part of the challenge with this is cultural. Different places in the world think about sex, sexuality, and even the concept of what is a child differently. In the US, showing a woman's bare breasts to a person under 18 is generally considered wrong, and in many cases is illegal. In most of Europe it wouldn't even raise an eyebrow, because bare breasts are on television, sometimes in commercials even. Set aside for a moment the question of age verification and age limits, we cannot even agree in any sort of universal sense what even qualifies as porn or adult content, and at what age someone should be able to see it. There's a difference between a 7 year old and a 17 year old seeing the same type of content, and there's also a difference between a photographic nude and a video of people engaged in coitus. The story is basically the same for everything else you listed. These age verification laws in many ways are trying to use the most heavy-handed mechanism possible to enforce American cultural norms on the entire planet. That's clearly wrong to do. What the GP suggested using RTA headers though puts the control into the parent's hands, which is as it should be. |
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| ▲ | traderj0e an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | We don't need to care what France or China thinks when we make our laws that are about our own citizens. They do the same over there. > These age verification laws in many ways are trying to use the most heavy-handed mechanism possible to enforce American cultural norms on the entire planet. That's clearly wrong to do. Yes there's a chance our rules spill over there naturally, and I don't consider that wrong either. | |
| ▲ | hirvi74 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I considered many of the same points you mentioned. Though, one area I am still struggling to grasp is the harm that governments are trying to mitigate. If a child were to see inappropriate material, then what harm can truly arise? Also, why do governments need to enact such laws when the onus of protecting children should be on their parents? I am not trying to start any kind of flame war, but I really cannot see any other basis for all this prohibition that is not somehow traceable back to Western religious beliefs and the societies born and molded from such beliefs. |
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