You're not wrong about the danger posed, but take a step back and consider who this attitude helps. The greatest beneficiaries of a culture in which good faith and civility are unconditionally granted for fear of misguided righteous anger is a paradise for fraudsters and bad faith actors. I think we're seeing that world now.

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mattw2121 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Spot on. Leaders in my company love to tout the line "assume good faith". If you say anything that indicates someone else is not operating in good faith, you are deemed the bad actor. This allows bad actors to run absolutely rampant.

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bpt3 5 hours ago | parent [-]

You can assume good faith initially without having to tolerate a bad actor who invalidates that assumption.

It seems like your company leadership missed that part of the lesson.

	▲	idle_zealot 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I would argue that there's an incentive to "miss" that part of the lesson.

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trinsic2 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is a good point. I tend to be careful not to fall into this trap myself, but it doesn't really do any good to call it out in public. it ends up empowering the bad actors. Thank you for this awareness.

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mmooss 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> consider who this attitude helps

It helps the good people, who do good and influence their society to do the same, and live in a good society. The best societies give the accused the full protection of the law, and give them fair trials. The problematic ones have mob rule.

Much of what you write assumes the OP author and you know what evil is, with certainty. That is the critical and most dangerous flaw.

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Pay08 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's the same line of reasoning racists use to justify their hatred. I will not have a part in it.

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hilariously 2 hours ago | parent [-]

This is almost random its such an odd response. Unconditionally granting good faith should be given to people because... racism.

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Pay08 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Do you know the amount of times I've been lectured about "Holocaust Privilege" using the same line of logic? Because I don't, I have long lost count.

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idle_zealot 2 hours ago | parent [-]

There's a depressingly common tactic of using the Holocaust to defend current genocide and atrocities, one that has been very effective until recently. It's exactly the kind of strategy that always assuming good faith allows for, and what I'm warning against. Unfortunately, the backlash against allowing bad actors to use victims as a shield is emboldening bigots. Another knock-on danger of the culture of unlimited civility is that it will eventually end and the overcorrection will see a lot undeserving people hurt.

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TheOtherHobbes an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Tone policing is a time-honoured tactic for devaluing valid opposition.

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Pay08 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Go fuck yourself you piece of shit.

	▲	idle_zealot 37 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Aw, that's too bad. My comment as originally drafted floated that you might be participating in that tactic, but I changed it because it could've been interpreted as accusatory. I offered you an assumption of good faith, and got burned for it again. Eventually this will train really bad behavior. I promise to try my best to keep it focused on the knowing defenders of genocide and fight the tide of antisemitism you're causing.