That's the same line of reasoning racists use to justify their hatred. I will not have a part in it.

This is almost random its such an odd response. Unconditionally granting good faith should be given to people because... racism.

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Pay08 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Do you know the amount of times I've been lectured about "Holocaust Privilege" using the same line of logic? Because I don't, I have long lost count.

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idle_zealot 3 hours ago | parent [-]

There's a depressingly common tactic of using the Holocaust to defend current genocide and atrocities, one that has been very effective until recently. It's exactly the kind of strategy that always assuming good faith allows for, and what I'm warning against. Unfortunately, the backlash against allowing bad actors to use victims as a shield is emboldening bigots. Another knock-on danger of the culture of unlimited civility is that it will eventually end and the overcorrection will see a lot undeserving people hurt.

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ABCLAW an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This isn't the danger with assuming good faith.

It's the danger with not updating your behavior when the balance of probabilities shows that the individual/group/organization you're dealing with is acting in bad faith.

Our modern era has so many megaphones blaring into the void that it's become significantly more difficult to determine which ones are overtly lying. Accordingly, it's far more difficult to establish a consensus about who's operating in bad faith.

Again, the failure point isn't with the assumption of good faith. It's with not recognizing bad faith when it's made manifest.

	▲	idle_zealot an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I agree, that's why I'm talking about unconditional assumption of good faith. I strongly believe in assuming good faith by default, and also in the importance of updating your priors as new information becomes available.

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TheOtherHobbes 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tone policing is a time-honoured tactic for devaluing valid opposition.

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Pay08 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Go fuck yourself you piece of shit.

	▲	idle_zealot 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Aw, that's too bad. My comment as originally drafted floated that you might be participating in that tactic, but I changed it because it could've been interpreted as accusatory. I offered you an assumption of good faith, and got burned for it again. Eventually this will train really bad behavior. I promise to try my best to keep it focused on the knowing defenders of genocide and fight the tide of antisemitism you're causing.